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		<title>By: tim</title>
		<link>http://blog.cardomain.com/2007/03/08/consumer-report-5/#comment-58818</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I think CR found it could sell more magazines deriding domestics.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I think CR found it could sell more magazines deriding domestics.</p>
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		<title>By: WOW</title>
		<link>http://blog.cardomain.com/2007/03/08/consumer-report-5/#comment-58821</link>
		<dc:creator>WOW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;The only thing bias here is the author of this blog (Rob). &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1 person does not make the CR list of cars nor does CR take money from any car Manufacture, so your bias theory goes out the window. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The only one I agree on is the Mustang, but once again HP isn&#039;t everything. The handling on Miata is great and it can eat up curvy roads. But still the Mustang is a classic and it should take the spot instead of the Miata. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Domestic Fan boys, there is no &quot;conspiracy&quot; against your beloved domestics. Take the loss like a man and quite bitching.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>The only thing bias here is the author of this blog (Rob). </p>
<p>1 person does not make the CR list of cars nor does CR take money from any car Manufacture, so your bias theory goes out the window. </p>
<p>The only one I agree on is the Mustang, but once again HP isn&#8217;t everything. The handling on Miata is great and it can eat up curvy roads. But still the Mustang is a classic and it should take the spot instead of the Miata. </p>
<p>Domestic Fan boys, there is no &#8220;conspiracy&#8221; against your beloved domestics. Take the loss like a man and quite bitching.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Brumple</title>
		<link>http://blog.cardomain.com/2007/03/08/consumer-report-5/#comment-58824</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Brumple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Reply to Steve&#039;s comment. Steve, Why the MX-5? its sucks, it is ugly, it runs like it&#039;s sick. GO MUSTANGS!&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Reply to Steve&#8217;s comment. Steve, Why the MX-5? its sucks, it is ugly, it runs like it&#8217;s sick. GO MUSTANGS!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Brumple</title>
		<link>http://blog.cardomain.com/2007/03/08/consumer-report-5/#comment-58830</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Brumple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Hey man... Go easy on the Highlander... My Moms got one, Its very nice to. My Dads got a &#039;07 Toyota Tundra, My Moms got a &#039;06 Highlander Hybrid...&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Hey man&#8230; Go easy on the Highlander&#8230; My Moms got one, Its very nice to. My Dads got a &#8216;07 Toyota Tundra, My Moms got a &#8216;06 Highlander Hybrid&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://blog.cardomain.com/2007/03/08/consumer-report-5/#comment-58841</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 04:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Viva Chevrolet! Many Chevys, or at least the bulk of their parts, are made in Mexico. My Toyota was made in Texas. Support the troops and buy a Toyota, right?!? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;These silly xenophobic notions of foreign and domestic are so 80s. Where was your TV made? Your clothes?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>Viva Chevrolet! Many Chevys, or at least the bulk of their parts, are made in Mexico. My Toyota was made in Texas. Support the troops and buy a Toyota, right?!? </p>
<p>These silly xenophobic notions of foreign and domestic are so 80s. Where was your TV made? Your clothes?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blog.cardomain.com/2007/03/08/consumer-report-5/#comment-58847</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I agree! Why would you waste your hard earned money to pay more for an import of similar quality as a domestic? If anything, I&#039;ve seen domestics of better quality than some imports.  Don&#039;t get me wrong, some expensive imports are nice, but expensive domestics are just as nice.  As for fuel, any money saved, which is not that much will be invested in repairs costing more than on domestics (because of parts) and in the initial purchase of the vehicle.  Domestics are equal or better cars even if imports claim to be superior. You just pay for their name.  Who cares if an import can get 3-7 miles per gallon more, it&#039;s not worth it.  The car is just made cheaper and lighter with a slightly more refined engine (often a weaker engine). The less HP you have, the less gas you take.  When imports claim to last longer, it means nothing.  With regular maintenance, most vehicles will keep going for many kilometers/miles.  Take care of your car and it will take care of you.  You should buy the car that tends to you.  You can look at styling, performance, reliability, etc.  If you cannot give clear, thoughtful reasons for purchasing a certain vehicle, why did you buy it?  All in all, look at all your options before you buy a car and think about your bank account.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I agree! Why would you waste your hard earned money to pay more for an import of similar quality as a domestic? If anything, I&#8217;ve seen domestics of better quality than some imports.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, some expensive imports are nice, but expensive domestics are just as nice.  As for fuel, any money saved, which is not that much will be invested in repairs costing more than on domestics (because of parts) and in the initial purchase of the vehicle.  Domestics are equal or better cars even if imports claim to be superior. You just pay for their name.  Who cares if an import can get 3-7 miles per gallon more, it&#8217;s not worth it.  The car is just made cheaper and lighter with a slightly more refined engine (often a weaker engine). The less HP you have, the less gas you take.  When imports claim to last longer, it means nothing.  With regular maintenance, most vehicles will keep going for many kilometers/miles.  Take care of your car and it will take care of you.  You should buy the car that tends to you.  You can look at styling, performance, reliability, etc.  If you cannot give clear, thoughtful reasons for purchasing a certain vehicle, why did you buy it?  All in all, look at all your options before you buy a car and think about your bank account.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://blog.cardomain.com/2007/03/08/consumer-report-5/#comment-58852</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 04:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;So, consumer reports posts reliability ratings.  If you want a reliable vehicle you need to maintain it and drive it responsibly.  I bet you I could kill a new Accord or Camry in one day if I tried. And I bet you I could keep a new Aveo for 20 years with no problems.  All cars require you spend money for routine repairs.  It is not as much WHAT car you have, but HOW you take care of it.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>So, consumer reports posts reliability ratings.  If you want a reliable vehicle you need to maintain it and drive it responsibly.  I bet you I could kill a new Accord or Camry in one day if I tried. And I bet you I could keep a new Aveo for 20 years with no problems.  All cars require you spend money for routine repairs.  It is not as much WHAT car you have, but HOW you take care of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Penrod</title>
		<link>http://blog.cardomain.com/2007/03/08/consumer-report-5/#comment-58859</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan Penrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2007 03:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Biased,NOT!!.The one thing &quot;Consumer Reports&quot; isn&#039;t is biased.  They purchase all of the cars, take no advertising money, and are the only honest publication that compares all makes and models.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;People that purchase cars that are evaluated and found to be subpar are the only malcontents here.  Asian cars especially Japanese are superior in reliability as well as craftmanship,thats more than obvious.  Even most German makes fall below the reliability of the Big two Japanese. Get over your stupidity for purchasing subpar autos.  Acura,Honda, Infiniti and Toyota RULE!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>Biased,NOT!!.The one thing &#8220;Consumer Reports&#8221; isn&#8217;t is biased.  They purchase all of the cars, take no advertising money, and are the only honest publication that compares all makes and models.</p>
<p>People that purchase cars that are evaluated and found to be subpar are the only malcontents here.  Asian cars especially Japanese are superior in reliability as well as craftmanship,thats more than obvious.  Even most German makes fall below the reliability of the Big two Japanese. Get over your stupidity for purchasing subpar autos.  Acura,Honda, Infiniti and Toyota RULE!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Reese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Reese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I, too believe that CR has a bias against Domestics, but you have to remember that a lot of their reliablity ratings come from actual owners. That being said, I&#039;ve owned German, Japanese and Domestic vehicles, and two of the Japanese (one Honda, yeah, HONDA, and one Mitsubishi) were the biggest pains in the *ss I ever had to deal with. There will NEVER be a Mitsubishi with me paying for it, ever. Two of the most reliable; one Domestic (Plymouth), one Japanese (a Datsun, so that tells you how old my *ss is). The Plymouth literally had to be totaled to stop it from being driven. Never had a lick of major trouble. The only reason the Datsun had to go was because the starter went out, and before it could be taken to a repair shop, the corrupt Chicago Police had it towed (it was NOT in a tow zone). BUT, it isn&#039;t just CR that is biased: Car and Driver are scarcely better. They drool over the uglies from Japan, like the Camry and the Infiniti series, and call the Ford 500 &#039;dull&#039;. Yeah, but if it had been a German marque, they&#039;d call the styling &#039;clean and uncluttered&#039;. People either forget, or don&#039;t know, that Domestic manufacturers didn&#039;t really have a need to make long-lasting cars; the marketplace in the States is that people don&#039;t keep cars as long as they do in Japan and Europe. Once you get past that fourth year, UNLESS that car is a &#039;creampuff&#039;, you are getting almost nothing in trade from a dealer, because he knows that the next used car buyer who comes on his lot is not going to want to pay anywhere near Blue Book for a five year old car. And finally, why is it that I hear radio commentator Paul Harvey tell about recalls for Japanese or German makes, but I don&#039;t hear that later on the regular news? Hmmm ...&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I, too believe that CR has a bias against Domestics, but you have to remember that a lot of their reliablity ratings come from actual owners. That being said, I&#8217;ve owned German, Japanese and Domestic vehicles, and two of the Japanese (one Honda, yeah, HONDA, and one Mitsubishi) were the biggest pains in the *ss I ever had to deal with. There will NEVER be a Mitsubishi with me paying for it, ever. Two of the most reliable; one Domestic (Plymouth), one Japanese (a Datsun, so that tells you how old my *ss is). The Plymouth literally had to be totaled to stop it from being driven. Never had a lick of major trouble. The only reason the Datsun had to go was because the starter went out, and before it could be taken to a repair shop, the corrupt Chicago Police had it towed (it was NOT in a tow zone). BUT, it isn&#8217;t just CR that is biased: Car and Driver are scarcely better. They drool over the uglies from Japan, like the Camry and the Infiniti series, and call the Ford 500 &#8216;dull&#8217;. Yeah, but if it had been a German marque, they&#8217;d call the styling &#8216;clean and uncluttered&#8217;. People either forget, or don&#8217;t know, that Domestic manufacturers didn&#8217;t really have a need to make long-lasting cars; the marketplace in the States is that people don&#8217;t keep cars as long as they do in Japan and Europe. Once you get past that fourth year, UNLESS that car is a &#8216;creampuff&#8217;, you are getting almost nothing in trade from a dealer, because he knows that the next used car buyer who comes on his lot is not going to want to pay anywhere near Blue Book for a five year old car. And finally, why is it that I hear radio commentator Paul Harvey tell about recalls for Japanese or German makes, but I don&#8217;t hear that later on the regular news? Hmmm &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Spain Jr.</title>
		<link>http://blog.cardomain.com/2007/03/08/consumer-report-5/#comment-58871</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis Spain Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;A 4,000 pound pony car is not much fun.  A 4200 lb. sedan is not much fun either.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;220 hp 3.5 liter V-6&#039;s are not as much fun as 275 hp ones.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Grossly unreliable small SUV&#039;s are not much fun either.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Instead of whining, our domestic manufacturers need to get back to the basics and stop trying to compete with cars stuck in the design and engineering Middle Ages.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They are making progress but they still have a ways to go.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Other than the Ford Focus and The Fusion and maybe the Corvette, there is not a single Domestic vehicle I would pick over it&#039;s foreign competition.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sometimes we have all the right parts available and make ludicrous configuration decisions.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The first Ford 500 with that crappy little 210 horspower 3.0 liter V6 lugging 4,000 lbs??  What were they thinking.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am an American and would like to see us do a lot better, too.  But I applaud Consumer Reports unbroken objectivity in a world of hype, spin and payola.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>A 4,000 pound pony car is not much fun.  A 4200 lb. sedan is not much fun either.</p>
<p>220 hp 3.5 liter V-6&#8217;s are not as much fun as 275 hp ones.</p>
<p>Grossly unreliable small SUV&#8217;s are not much fun either.</p>
<p>Instead of whining, our domestic manufacturers need to get back to the basics and stop trying to compete with cars stuck in the design and engineering Middle Ages.</p>
<p>They are making progress but they still have a ways to go.</p>
<p>Other than the Ford Focus and The Fusion and maybe the Corvette, there is not a single Domestic vehicle I would pick over it&#8217;s foreign competition.</p>
<p>Sometimes we have all the right parts available and make ludicrous configuration decisions.</p>
<p>The first Ford 500 with that crappy little 210 horspower 3.0 liter V6 lugging 4,000 lbs??  What were they thinking.</p>
<p>I am an American and would like to see us do a lot better, too.  But I applaud Consumer Reports unbroken objectivity in a world of hype, spin and payola.</p>
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