Beyond Awesome: Cutaway GTR!

That Skyline GT-R is very nice… I mean it’s very asthetically pleasing. I always enjoyed the rare sight of craftsmanship on ANY vehicles whether it be Japanese, German, American, and others…. Consider themanufacturer’s flagship vehicles whether it’s mass-production or a working prototype. That Skyline GT-R is the Nissan’s flagship vehicle in the high-performance section, Ford’s Taurus SHO is also Ford’s flagship in the high-performance section, VW having their Rabbit GTIs/Jetta GLIs with their 2.0L FSI Turbo as their flagship vehicles…. Need I continue? The point is, you cannot appreciate the art when it comes to squabbling about which is the best. Put that to rest.

Speaking of the beasts, there’s one prototype that had been built and tested by Volkswagenwerk AG…. 2007 VW Golf GTI W12-650. THIS one is a RWD configuration. Don’t ask me why they did, but it’s also asthetically pleasing to the motor freaks’ eyes… I think this one is a wallet-buster. VW’s mum on their specifications, except that this motor puts out 650HP. For real. Since the VW did the first prototype, called W12, in an exotic body which could be mistaken for a Lambo in distant view, putting out 540HP (if my memory serves). This one is also a FINE CRAFTSMANSHIP!

Z06, 300ZXs, GT-Rs, W12s, and all the fine crafted vehicles are always priceless to SEE them!

So, please, shut up and enjoy!

Maybe that import has a compartment for fried rice, Because it damn sure can’t pop a wheelie..

ok well everyone is saying american vs jap what douse it really matter? do you like it or even for that matter even have the money to but it? if so why wast your time reading this page? humm.

secondly yea ok american muscle viper, corvett, shelby etc..
thats fine but douse any one even own one that would not traid it for the GTR? honestly if i had a brand new viper i would give it up for a plain GTR 34 not to mention the GTR “for those that do not know gtr 34 is the previous version but if you are here you have better known that right?”

what is the difference between an import and a muscle car? i see none rater we are made to see one by the american car companys that want to brain wash us in to thinking if we buy an import we are not promoting america TOTAL BS FOR THE FACT that ether way america is making the profit. total bs! for those who are so ignerent to think imports are all about nos ha ha NO, it is holywoods’ lie in japan racers are not defined by nos but TURBO and HP humm dose that sound familliar? oh yea american muscle

what new american muscle car douse not have a turbo? with the exception of the Supercharger which is no lnger too common that was the only difference not to mention that a well tunned toyota or nissan will effertlessly keep up and beat what ever american car is introduced wile having an engin 1/3 of the size

we should appriciate nissans GTR but as well our own in harmony

if you like it get it

if you cant afford it ride a bike

if you would rather “american BS i mean” muscle cars buy that
“”not to hate on american cars but the thought behind it if you read the passage you will understand”"

but all in all this was a wast of time because the argument will still go on becuse people are naturally nieve and will fall for anything anyone tells them if it acompanys what they belive although it is totally incorrect.

btw muscle cars can burn rubber. imports cant. awd is bs. the beauty of a car that handles like crap but goes like hell is that you can make it handle. your not buying a car that all the work is already done to. there is no pride in that. its just ego. “oh look at me i have a really expencive car” while the other guy in the lane next to you who gets his hands dirty and loves it puts the hammer down on his muscle car and blows your doors off while leaving behind a 80ft burnout and smoking the streets so bad rich boy cant see and crashes. anyone who is for the imports needs to come to my house so i can shatter your windows just by starting my 700hp meth injected chev 360 V8. its all about the V8. gives you hair on your chest. so dont start shit unless you can back it up with some muscle. the day some exotic car beats a blown muscle car i will… still love the muscle car and hate all imports

what a bunch of bullshit. fucking stupid import cars. this is rediculous. muscle cars are built for torque and show and sound. lets see your stupid tuner put out 2000hp and 2700lbs or raw torque. these stupid tuners have no torque. its all high rpm hp. no low end torque. lets see your tuner pull a weelie. aint gonna happen. torque moves you, horspower doesnt.

To the people who said Vettes/Vipers need AWD…. Do you think AWD will make them handle better? If so you are sadly mistaken. It’s in the engineering of the car that makes it do what the makers want it to do. Simply making a car AWD will not let it compete at higher levels it is in the engineering and driver capabilities. American car makers do not know what control is. All they know is that bigger is better slap in a big motor and make RWD and thats all it is.

Also those fully modded out muscle cars that are out on the track how much do you really think they spent on those setups so it can handle DECENTLY. The amount of money I can spend on my S13 compared to those muscle cars it would rip them apart. Its comparing apples to oranges. Foreign engineering is about all around performance. While American engineering is all about the bigger badder side of things. American car makers do not even back their own cars like they say they do.

Muscle Cars = Straight Line Queens…

Foreign Cars = All around performers…

I think that everyone who loves american muscle needs to take a step back and think about why they actually like it. Is it because we are American and we are supposed to support America and whatnot? I am American, and proud of it, I love muscle cars. Z06, Shelby, Ford GT, the list goes on and on and I really like the old muscle like chevelles, and chargers. Now while muscle is awesome and what other people on here have said…that is not all that makes a great car. Okay put it on a straight line and muscle might beat out rice (maybe), but for the price..definately not. And when taken to a track (ie nurburgring..see post below of times) nothing comes close, especially in the price range and the closest american muscle car that is trailing far behind the GTR is the Ford GT and trailing behind that is the vette. Come to think of it those are the only two american cars even given a chance at competing with the fastest 40 or so cars. Most are german/european made which are well over $100K and then there are the actually affordable so called “ricers”. I love muscle too but simply put foreign engineering is better. they hold up better, last longer, and are faster than american. I own a 1990 Nissan 300zx Twin Turbo. the thing has over 200K miles on it and I have a chip, intake, and exhaust on it, I am pushing 380hp. I can take almost any american car out there besides like corvettes, vipers, shelbys which are all very pricey…oh and i paid $6K for the car. Hows that for cheap performance. Put $6k into an american car and you are lucky to get it to start. I say all this while one of my dream cars is a chevelle ss with a 454 and a 12 bolt posi rear end. So if you say i am bias, think again. And i know that a chevelle could take my 300zx in a straight from 0-60, take a rolling start 60-120+, nissan takes that one. one other thing. not all roads are straight with no bumps and smooth as glass. that being said, the GTR is a better car, just as fast 0-60 than any of the corvettes and vipers and can actually take a corner. Oh yeah and the GTR is also cheaper. By the way. my roommate is from michigan (american muscle heaven) and he wont drive anything other than an american made car. he hated the fact that i wanted to get a nissan. the day i got it i took him for a spin and the second we got home he changed his mind and said he didnt have a problem with me getting that car anymore. I wonder why that is? and he will no longer race me he has a mustang gt and when i ask him to race he says no because he knows he will get smoked by a ricer car. oh he paid over $20k more than i did for his slower car. That is all

I would never buy one if i had the money. i would rather burn the money in front of a dealer and laugh in their face! Im american muscle all the way!! why spend ten of thousands of dollars on some import when you can take a mustang or a camero, spend a quarter of the money on it and absolutely smoke any new super car. that includes the dodge viper, corvette Z06 and yes even the Ford GT. especially lambos and ferraris.

Funny stuff. Why compare old school muscle to new school? The market was totally different back then, so what was important to them isn’t important to people now. The old school muscle car has 30+ year old technology in it. If it didn’t compete against the new car then what’s the shock? It only proves that we’re moving forward.

The reason you don’t see allot of these halo vehicles, because they aren’t made for frugal people who want to go get groceries or drive the kids to soccer practice. These cars address people who are getting them as toys. That’s why performance cars don’t have allot produced, go for big money, and usually don’t sell well. Nissan gets around that by producing a significant amount to get over design and by producing the lower versions, the 350Z and G35. Those vehicles sold well in comparison and opened up potential for the performance version. The same holds true for the Corvette which will have 1,000s produced vs a Ferrari, which only makes 400 – 600 of a selected vehicle. That’s it. In fact, some people would say the mass produced vehicles are watered down. The problem is, they make money, vs a Veyron which loses 10 million per car right now. Sure, you can hold your own against a Gallardo with a new Z06, but if you said, I own a Chevrolet I don’t think you’d get quite the reaction you would get from saying, “I own a Lamborghini.”

The beauty of the GT-R is that it’s good right out of the box, just like a Corvette and you don’t need to spend money to get more performance. So if you’re getting one then you aren’t a tuner. You want recognition.

And no, not all cars should have All Wheel Drive (AWD). There are postives and negatives to the AWD. If you’re a heavy car already then adding AWD may not be an option. Many will argue the handling characteristics of a vehicle with All Wheel Drive or Rear Wheel Drive and which is more effective. In reality, it comes down to the driver. For instance, some of the best handling cars in the world are Rear Wheel Drive. Who would argue the McLaren’s reign.

So lets stop comparing apples to oranges. Tuned vs. Stock or Road Course vs. Drag Racing. A 6 second muscle car would school this thing on the quarter mile, but the same muscle would find itself walking home for a trip around Watkins Glenn road course. Now, build the muscle car to road course specs and the stock GT-R is going to have problems.

The reality is, if you’re buying a GT-R you are buying a look and the things that go with it. You’re probably not going to be at the track every weekend, so why bother arguing how well it does at Nurburg?

Buy the car that makes you happy. If you don’t like it or any Japanese car then go over to the Z06 area and you can talk about why your car is better. But the reality is you’re here because you’re looking at a fierce competitor. If it wasn’t then you wouldn’t bother looking, would you?

The reality is the performance is going to be close and incredible. You’ll see some inovative stuff and Nissan and Chevrolet will show people how to sell halo cars, but in the end, they’ll both lose money on the projects and we’ll win.

Holy shit! This car is definitly badass. I’m not typically a Nissan guy but have major respect for this.

The difference Salvador is that your B16 civic hatch will probably suck to drive. 1700lb Civics come with no a/c, stereos, seats, or anything that would be worthwhile driving to work or to anywhere. …The GTR will have all of those things (and suede seats) and probably still beat your Civic.

I dont know why you guys keep talking shit every car has there own way of showing somthing jap cars are mostly good for track and im not going to lie i seen sum mucel cars hit the track all modded suspention and they do preety good but all you guys keep talking about is hp but theres more to that like weight and gear ratio grip and suspention and aro dynamics i got a civic hatch with a b16 a motor and thats all i need why becuase i just dont work on hp i also work on wight it only wieighs 2100 pounds and im trying to get it to low 1700 pounds and with my 200 hp i cought up to my brothers 330 hp mustang gt what im trying to say is that all cars are good just in there diffrent ways and there all the same so stop talking shit

All hail the King!

Godzilla is coming!

I laugh at this. considering over half of you guys cant even afford a viper, or new corvette or any of those.
Why you gotta say BS about cars you cant afford? Your looking at statistics and records.. go drive them yourself and tell me whats better, GTR is quick. Looks sexy, and has a HUGE history of smokin muscle.

be done with it.

i do agree the viper/vette needs awd, but thats part of their history is the rwd aspect. throw in awd and the price goes up 10,000. the point of these monsters is the most horsepower for your dollar, and the only problem is sometimes you end up sacrificing the things you would get in a german automobile such as no cheap plastics in the dash or unsupportive seats or shotty drive trains. if you really want refinement, sure, stretch for a tt or a lambo. your not going to shave dollars off of it but you will get the awd and performance and quality of german engineering. (is lambo german??)

yea put a TT in a viper, the price will be well over 100k. Same for the vett,

These are DAILY DRIVER cars, what good is a 1000hp Viper? chugging gas?

The viper and vet just need AWD (and better interior).

them and subaru only (for japanese cars)

first of all lets be honest, nissan is an amazing car company. i would support them and subaru only. (rally champions). I also think this whole american vs japan war is rediculous because they are two completely different sections. also, if you really want to get in to it, awd is superior rwd, on the track, and on the strip. although its more expesive, sometimes you have to sacrifice dollars for performance. some people will say, “well you dont need all that performance for every day driving” but what about those of us that live where theres snow come winter? how about awd vs rwd then? AND dont even THINK about bringing front wheel drive in to this unless you want massive understeer, (it makes more sense to push than to pull). and to be honest, germany takes the cake in auto production. i.e. the BMW M3, or the bugatti veyron, that is the worlds fastest car, and its made by volkswagen! (VW is the parent company to bugatti for those who are unaware). volkswagen makes some of the finest automobiles out there, with excellent repair records, and easily customizable vehicles. at a good price!! you can get a well equipped jetta, for much less than a well equipped malibu. sure, they arent cheap to fix, but nothing is, although they barely ever break down. lets be honest, japanese vehicles run forever, but will begin to nickle and dime you to death, the little things will fall apart, while america has just dropped the ball altogether, and as much as they want to, they arent going to be able to cover up their craftsmanship with muscle. people will realize that you can have as much muscle as possible, yet when it stops working it doesnt matter. the gt-r is an amazing vehicle, and one of the best deals for the money. and to the comment about twin turboing a viper or a corvette? lets be real here, very few people do that, and the ones who do dont see much difference in performance, maybe a half second faster times on the strip and 0-60 but really, when your hitting it in 3.5 whats the difference?

the only way for an import car to keep up with an american muscle car is to use forced induction.ever seen a twin-turbo v8 in a corvette or a twiin turbo v10 viper?INSANE amounts of horsepower and the import cars are left in dust.just wait until the corvette zr-1 comes out.if you say “stock” imports are faster than modified NATURALLY ASPIRATED muscle cars, this’ll be the coupe de grace in showing up your weak little toy cars.

I love the new skyline, its gon b a beast

luk u all fite n argue bout american muscle n imports, da question iz y dont u all jus shut up bout it n b happy car companies make fast cars n sporty 1s 2. i got a 66 gto n a honda civic know im not sayn dat da civic iz a super car but iz runnin lik 1 das fu sho but i cud never choose between both dur jus 2 sick 2 choose.

Look @ those track times….

I don’t see one car that beat the GT-R under 100K… 70k is a steal…

Quote: “your all stupid american mucle beats japenese rice anyday.”

Looks like rice won that day!