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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://blog.cardomain.com/2008/02/08/affordable-evs/#comment-40774</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Stability with 3 wheelers is not a problem.  There are several blistering 3 wheelers out there with admirable performance characteristics on the skid pad.  All you armchair physicists need to spout less and read more.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Stability with 3 wheelers is not a problem.  There are several blistering 3 wheelers out there with admirable performance characteristics on the skid pad.  All you armchair physicists need to spout less and read more.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://blog.cardomain.com/2008/02/08/affordable-evs/#comment-40775</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Crash Test?  I like riding motorcycles compared to which this is a very safe vehicle.  At 300 mpg&#039;s, heck, even at 120 it&#039;s beautiful.  I have read everything out there on this vehicle and I want one yesterday.  Creature comforts, performance,safety, and economy that literally has me paying less to own one each month than my current gas costs alone.  Imagine what that will mean next year when gas is $5/gal?&lt;br /&gt;
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<p>Crash Test?  I like riding motorcycles compared to which this is a very safe vehicle.  At 300 mpg&#8217;s, heck, even at 120 it&#8217;s beautiful.  I have read everything out there on this vehicle and I want one yesterday.  Creature comforts, performance,safety, and economy that literally has me paying less to own one each month than my current gas costs alone.  Imagine what that will mean next year when gas is $5/gal?<br />
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		<title>By: Chupacabra</title>
		<link>http://blog.cardomain.com/2008/02/08/affordable-evs/#comment-40776</link>
		<dc:creator>Chupacabra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hey all, I&#039;m a dude on the Internet. I&#039;m much smarterer then all of you. Oh I like to argue. And eat Cheetos.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyway, if you use Google like someone who is smarterer might, you&#039;ll find out the car has not been physically crash tested in the real world yet. Its going through simulation testing to tweak, then they&#039;ll be doing real world crash testing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You may now un-bunch your panties.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>Hey all, I&#8217;m a dude on the Internet. I&#8217;m much smarterer then all of you. Oh I like to argue. And eat Cheetos.</p>
<p>Anyway, if you use Google like someone who is smarterer might, you&#8217;ll find out the car has not been physically crash tested in the real world yet. Its going through simulation testing to tweak, then they&#8217;ll be doing real world crash testing.</p>
<p>You may now un-bunch your panties.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://blog.cardomain.com/2008/02/08/affordable-evs/#comment-40779</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I want to see one of these things with yellow and black marks on the sides and a test dummy, hitting a block in an offset frontal crash MINIMUM.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I want to see one of these things with yellow and black marks on the sides and a test dummy, hitting a block in an offset frontal crash MINIMUM.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://blog.cardomain.com/2008/02/08/affordable-evs/#comment-40783</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I STILL have yet to hear someone address my question of whether this vehicle was subjected to independent crash safety testing.&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh, and paint me as some dinosaur or closed-minded pseudo-intellect, that&#039;s fine but what I&#039;ve been reading is a bunch of dreck.&lt;br /&gt;
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Regarding &quot;rolling resistance&quot; or whatever the term was, When a 3-wheeler has to compromise for not having a 4th wheel by widening the third, GUESS WHAT... that just defeated the purpose of having only 3 wheels because of having less resistance.&lt;br /&gt;
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NOT having a wide tire on the back NO MATTER WHAT the center of gravity, OR other spiffy features are included in the design... DOES mean the back will HAPPILY SLIDE all over the place when compared to a 4-wheeler. LEMME CLUE YOU IN: the AVERAGE driver DOSEN&#039;T like having the rear of their vehicle sliding. - When the ground is dry, I guess one of these things would be okay but when it rains? That&#039;s a whole different story and it is being IGNORED because the hype in here is about as dense as Depleted Uranium.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I STILL have yet to hear someone address my question of whether this vehicle was subjected to independent crash safety testing.<br />
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Oh, and paint me as some dinosaur or closed-minded pseudo-intellect, that&#8217;s fine but what I&#8217;ve been reading is a bunch of dreck.<br />
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Regarding &#8220;rolling resistance&#8221; or whatever the term was, When a 3-wheeler has to compromise for not having a 4th wheel by widening the third, GUESS WHAT&#8230; that just defeated the purpose of having only 3 wheels because of having less resistance.<br />
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NOT having a wide tire on the back NO MATTER WHAT the center of gravity, OR other spiffy features are included in the design&#8230; DOES mean the back will HAPPILY SLIDE all over the place when compared to a 4-wheeler. LEMME CLUE YOU IN: the AVERAGE driver DOSEN&#8217;T like having the rear of their vehicle sliding. &#8211; When the ground is dry, I guess one of these things would be okay but when it rains? That&#8217;s a whole different story and it is being IGNORED because the hype in here is about as dense as Depleted Uranium.</p>
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		<title>By: Forrest Higgs</title>
		<link>http://blog.cardomain.com/2008/02/08/affordable-evs/#comment-40787</link>
		<dc:creator>Forrest Higgs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 00:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;&quot;While a design like this dosen&#039;t even seem compatible with having 2 wheels in the rear... c&#039;mon. Will one of these eggheads just do all of us 4-roller addicts an apparently HUGE favor and just add one more damn wheel???????????&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nope.  If you add that 4th wheel you buy in to all the legislation written by congressmen who were convinced that lawyers should design cars.  The Aptera is classified as a motorcycle, not a car.  That means that a startup with some venture capital can hope to get into the game.  An ordinary new model automobile costs several billion dollars to develop thanks to all the legislation.  That effectively freezes competition out except for the big three and their Japanese clones.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>&#8220;While a design like this dosen&#8217;t even seem compatible with having 2 wheels in the rear&#8230; c&#8217;mon. Will one of these eggheads just do all of us 4-roller addicts an apparently HUGE favor and just add one more damn wheel???????????&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope.  If you add that 4th wheel you buy in to all the legislation written by congressmen who were convinced that lawyers should design cars.  The Aptera is classified as a motorcycle, not a car.  That means that a startup with some venture capital can hope to get into the game.  An ordinary new model automobile costs several billion dollars to develop thanks to all the legislation.  That effectively freezes competition out except for the big three and their Japanese clones.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Faules</title>
		<link>http://blog.cardomain.com/2008/02/08/affordable-evs/#comment-40792</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Faules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 05:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Growing&quot; is the key word. It&#039;s to be expected but there are many who find it impossible to be open minded with regards to making changes in the automotive world and in their own little world they tend to feel the majority feels the same as they do. I remember vividly back in 1971 when one of my employers said, &quot;Import cars will NEVER be successful in the U.S.. American mechanic&#039;s will NEVER buy metric tools to out in their tool boxes just to work on a few imports. No way.&quot; Just think about it, 1070 wasn&#039;t all that long ago in the grand scheme of things.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It is that same type of rational that will leave those kinds of minds standing with their mouths open when things do change and they will. The way things look it may be happening a lot faster than many have thought. Back in the early 70&#039;s after the first &quot;Cracker Box&quot; Honda was sold, it wasn&#039;t but a couple years before many other manufactures jumped on board and look how many there are now. I am betting history is about to repeat it&#039;s self.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nobody is implying, that trikes will replace automobiles but there is a need to do something. Make up all the excuses you want but this is a great start.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Speaking of growing, you may be surprised to learn, in the case of the Dutch built Carver, they are already being sold at dealerships in Belgium &amp; Luxemburg, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, New Zealand, Portugal, Russia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom and Carver Japan will be setting up the sales and service network for Japan, South Korea and Taiwan when first deliveries to customers start early next year. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Carver One has received full EU type approval and is therefore road legal in all countries accepting the EU type approval certificate. In Europe, a regular car driver&#039;s licence is required. For tax purposes, however, the Carver One is registered as a motorcycle in most European countries. At this time Carver has started an in-depth analysis of the requirements to make the vehicle ideally suited to the North American market.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Growing&#8221; is the key word. It&#8217;s to be expected but there are many who find it impossible to be open minded with regards to making changes in the automotive world and in their own little world they tend to feel the majority feels the same as they do. I remember vividly back in 1971 when one of my employers said, &#8220;Import cars will NEVER be successful in the U.S.. American mechanic&#8217;s will NEVER buy metric tools to out in their tool boxes just to work on a few imports. No way.&#8221; Just think about it, 1070 wasn&#8217;t all that long ago in the grand scheme of things.</p>
<p>It is that same type of rational that will leave those kinds of minds standing with their mouths open when things do change and they will. The way things look it may be happening a lot faster than many have thought. Back in the early 70&#8217;s after the first &#8220;Cracker Box&#8221; Honda was sold, it wasn&#8217;t but a couple years before many other manufactures jumped on board and look how many there are now. I am betting history is about to repeat it&#8217;s self.</p>
<p>Nobody is implying, that trikes will replace automobiles but there is a need to do something. Make up all the excuses you want but this is a great start.  </p>
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Speaking of growing, you may be surprised to learn, in the case of the Dutch built Carver, they are already being sold at dealerships in Belgium &#038; Luxemburg, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, New Zealand, Portugal, Russia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom and Carver Japan will be setting up the sales and service network for Japan, South Korea and Taiwan when first deliveries to customers start early next year. </p>
<p>The Carver One has received full EU type approval and is therefore road legal in all countries accepting the EU type approval certificate. In Europe, a regular car driver&#8217;s licence is required. For tax purposes, however, the Carver One is registered as a motorcycle in most European countries. At this time Carver has started an in-depth analysis of the requirements to make the vehicle ideally suited to the North American market.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Morgan</title>
		<link>http://blog.cardomain.com/2008/02/08/affordable-evs/#comment-40796</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 04:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ted, you&#039;re okay by me. But for every &#039;smart&#039; person who is willing to accept (in part) the idea of a 3-wheeler, there are ten &#039;REALLY smart&#039; people who cry to the high heavens that all (Apple computers and) 3-wheelers are &#039;toys&#039; for dreamers &amp; idiots. Is the Aptera Typ-1 going to sell more than the BMW 3 Series? Not any time soon. Are 4-wheel vehicles more stable? Some are, some aren&#039;t. Are 4-wheel vehicles safer? Some are, some aren&#039;t. Do 4-wheel vehicles use more fuel? Well, mostly, yes (all things being equal, 3-wheelers will always have less rolling resistance, no?). Is the Typ-1 the best vehicle for every need? No. Is it a &#039;niche&#039; product? Yes, for a GROWING niche. Would all the I-am-god-of-my-own-little-black-&amp;-white-universe/and-the-best-engineer-I-know types please realize that there are few singularly-perfect-for-all solutions under the sun; and that&#039;s...okay. Oh, and I&#039;m not suggesting that YOU are an engineer or a god or anything.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted, you&#8217;re okay by me. But for every &#8217;smart&#8217; person who is willing to accept (in part) the idea of a 3-wheeler, there are ten &#8216;REALLY smart&#8217; people who cry to the high heavens that all (Apple computers and) 3-wheelers are &#8216;toys&#8217; for dreamers &#038; idiots. Is the Aptera Typ-1 going to sell more than the BMW 3 Series? Not any time soon. Are 4-wheel vehicles more stable? Some are, some aren&#8217;t. Are 4-wheel vehicles safer? Some are, some aren&#8217;t. Do 4-wheel vehicles use more fuel? Well, mostly, yes (all things being equal, 3-wheelers will always have less rolling resistance, no?). Is the Typ-1 the best vehicle for every need? No. Is it a &#8216;niche&#8217; product? Yes, for a GROWING niche. Would all the I-am-god-of-my-own-little-black-&#038;-white-universe/and-the-best-engineer-I-know types please realize that there are few singularly-perfect-for-all solutions under the sun; and that&#8217;s&#8230;okay. Oh, and I&#8217;m not suggesting that YOU are an engineer or a god or anything.</p>
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		<title>By: kyle</title>
		<link>http://blog.cardomain.com/2008/02/08/affordable-evs/#comment-40819</link>
		<dc:creator>kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I think that Aptera should seriously look into silicon nanowire technology for baqtteries; in the tests that they have done on batteries with silicon nanowires, the batteries had a tenfold increase in life.  Imagine a 1200 mile life for the battery instead of 120.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I think that Aptera should seriously look into silicon nanowire technology for baqtteries; in the tests that they have done on batteries with silicon nanowires, the batteries had a tenfold increase in life.  Imagine a 1200 mile life for the battery instead of 120.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In an attempt to lighten this conversation a bit. Anyone remember the Messerschmitt? Not the plane... the 3-wheeler made post-war. For those of us who um, aren&#039;t so young anymore... Cousin IT in the Addams Family series (yeah, it was in black and white) drove one of these.&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyway, I ran across this very cool video of one doing something better than 4-wheelers... in a competition.&lt;br /&gt;
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Note that this is provided for entertainment. It is not meant as a slight to the Aptera, which is far, far advanced.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InlFaERcPeA&amp;feature=related&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InlFaERcPeA&amp;feature=related&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an attempt to lighten this conversation a bit. Anyone remember the Messerschmitt? Not the plane&#8230; the 3-wheeler made post-war. For those of us who um, aren&#8217;t so young anymore&#8230; Cousin IT in the Addams Family series (yeah, it was in black and white) drove one of these.<br />
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Anyway, I ran across this very cool video of one doing something better than 4-wheelers&#8230; in a competition.<br />
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Note that this is provided for entertainment. It is not meant as a slight to the Aptera, which is far, far advanced.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InlFaERcPeA&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InlFaERcPeA&#038;feature=related</a></p>
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