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	<title>Comments on: 376MPG? In 1973? Quit Whining Detroit!</title>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://blog.cardomain.com/2008/02/20/376mpg-in-1973/comment-page-1/#comment-24539</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;like Jim said, we could get that kind of mileage out of cars today, but we&#039;d have to do without a lot of things so many people don&#039;t want to give up.  All of the electronics, the safety features, the creature comforts, they all add a lot of weight.  They would be so slow, a bicycle might be faster than driving, the low friction tires wouldn&#039;t corner woth a damn, and it would be really impractical.  It&#039;s not politics, it&#039;s physics.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>like Jim said, we could get that kind of mileage out of cars today, but we&#8217;d have to do without a lot of things so many people don&#8217;t want to give up.  All of the electronics, the safety features, the creature comforts, they all add a lot of weight.  They would be so slow, a bicycle might be faster than driving, the low friction tires wouldn&#8217;t corner woth a damn, and it would be really impractical.  It&#8217;s not politics, it&#8217;s physics.</p>
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		<title>By: Arjan Hart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arjan Hart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;more info about this car at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opel-p1.nl/custom/testcar/Shell%20Opel.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.opel-p1.nl/custom/testcar/Shell%20Opel.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>more info about this car at <a href="http://www.opel-p1.nl/custom/testcar/Shell%20Opel.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.opel-p1.nl/custom/testcar/Shell%20Opel.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I can sum Detroit up on one easy and VERY TRUE statement... ready?&lt;br /&gt;
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SIMPLICITY is a BAD WORD.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I can sum Detroit up on one easy and VERY TRUE statement&#8230; ready?<br />
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SIMPLICITY is a BAD WORD.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;&quot;...As for the comment on why things haven&#039;t changed much in the auto tech area. That&#039;s the nature of a mature technology. Improvements come, but they are incremental. We&#039;ve spent over 100 years developing this stuff, all the easy leaps forward have been done. It&#039;s a hard slog now to improve things...&quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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NO NO NO... this is whitewashing the obvious. Planned Obsolescence. If I want candy coating, I&#039;ll stop by Mr. Bulky at the mall, thank you.&lt;br /&gt;
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Seriously, look at Hybrids. I bring this up time and time again. Look at the latest advancement in Hybrids to hit the market, GM&#039;s 2-mode Hybrid. This monster of a transmission houses 2 electric motors, 4 clutches and a small village of migrant workers. It&#039;s freaking huge. I gawked at it at the Philly Auto Show recently. With all this complexity will surely come expense, maybe not for the first owner but the second owner will have a hole in the driveway in which he&#039;ll be throwing his hard-earned cash... but hey, at least he&#039;ll be getting an extra 5 MPG.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>&#8220;&#8230;As for the comment on why things haven&#8217;t changed much in the auto tech area. That&#8217;s the nature of a mature technology. Improvements come, but they are incremental. We&#8217;ve spent over 100 years developing this stuff, all the easy leaps forward have been done. It&#8217;s a hard slog now to improve things&#8230;&#8221;<br />
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NO NO NO&#8230; this is whitewashing the obvious. Planned Obsolescence. If I want candy coating, I&#8217;ll stop by Mr. Bulky at the mall, thank you.<br />
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Seriously, look at Hybrids. I bring this up time and time again. Look at the latest advancement in Hybrids to hit the market, GM&#8217;s 2-mode Hybrid. This monster of a transmission houses 2 electric motors, 4 clutches and a small village of migrant workers. It&#8217;s freaking huge. I gawked at it at the Philly Auto Show recently. With all this complexity will surely come expense, maybe not for the first owner but the second owner will have a hole in the driveway in which he&#8217;ll be throwing his hard-earned cash&#8230; but hey, at least he&#8217;ll be getting an extra 5 MPG.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 08:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;You can&#039;t compare a car that has no safety standards to meet, performance that would leave a 90 year old nun wondering if she should get out and push, with something that can run with the big boys on the highway, get out of it&#039;s own way on the street, and meet all relevant highway safety standards. &lt;/p&gt;

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Sure, we *can* get 500 MPG out of a motorized vehicle, but not in one you&#039;d want to drive on the street. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for the comment on why things haven&#039;t changed much in the auto tech area. That&#039;s the nature of a mature technology. Improvements come, but they are incremental. We&#039;ve spent over 100 years developing this stuff, all the easy leaps forward have been done. It&#039;s a hard slog now to improve things, and any solution has to work with things like safety regs and the way people use the cars. A car that can only go 30MPH isn&#039;t a whole lot of use to me. How about you? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Still, 376 MPG is pretty freaking impressive, now or in 1973.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>You can&#8217;t compare a car that has no safety standards to meet, performance that would leave a 90 year old nun wondering if she should get out and push, with something that can run with the big boys on the highway, get out of it&#8217;s own way on the street, and meet all relevant highway safety standards. </p>
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Sure, we *can* get 500 MPG out of a motorized vehicle, but not in one you&#8217;d want to drive on the street. </p>
<p>As for the comment on why things haven&#8217;t changed much in the auto tech area. That&#8217;s the nature of a mature technology. Improvements come, but they are incremental. We&#8217;ve spent over 100 years developing this stuff, all the easy leaps forward have been done. It&#8217;s a hard slog now to improve things, and any solution has to work with things like safety regs and the way people use the cars. A car that can only go 30MPH isn&#8217;t a whole lot of use to me. How about you? </p>
<p>Still, 376 MPG is pretty freaking impressive, now or in 1973.</p>
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		<title>By: ClassicNation</title>
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		<dc:creator>ClassicNation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Pretty sweet. It just goes to show that automobile technology is more advanced than the major auto companies want us to believe. It is cool to see companies like Google jumping into the arena to further research into this with projects like RechargeIT (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.org/recharge/).&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.google.org/recharge/).&lt;/a&gt; I don&#039;t see why technology in automobile fuel efficiency hasn&#039;t changed much in the last 50 years, compared with other technology sectors (Iphones, wireless internet...).&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Pretty sweet. It just goes to show that automobile technology is more advanced than the major auto companies want us to believe. It is cool to see companies like Google jumping into the arena to further research into this with projects like RechargeIT (<a href="http://www.google.org/recharge/)." rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.google.org/recharge/)" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.org/recharge/)</a>. I don&#8217;t see why technology in automobile fuel efficiency hasn&#8217;t changed much in the last 50 years, compared with other technology sectors (Iphones, wireless internet&#8230;).</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;RETROMAN - - - AAAAAAAMEN!&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>RETROMAN &#8211; - &#8211; AAAAAAAMEN!</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;WOW... 376 MPG. And it even has FOUR wheels!&lt;br /&gt;
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...how nice.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>WOW&#8230; 376 MPG. And it even has FOUR wheels!<br />
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&#8230;how nice.</p>
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		<title>By: John Gelnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Gelnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Wow thats insane.  But you know what would happen if a company mass produced a car that got 376 mpg, gas prices would go to about $50 a gallon.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Wow thats insane.  But you know what would happen if a company mass produced a car that got 376 mpg, gas prices would go to about $50 a gallon.</p>
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		<title>By: retroman</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Hmmm... a few amateur garage mechanics, a 20yr old(at that time) brick of a car, and a competition held 34yrs ago, and that same iron laden brick got 376mpg?!?!?!? Wow!!!! JUST goes to show what can be done when there&#039;s no politics involved. Personally, I think hybrids are a hoax and will continue to be so long as there are a few gas-only models out there that can match a hybrids efficiency(ex. certain yrs. and models of Civics can match a new Civic hybrid. The only thing the hybrid has going for it is its increased size and interior comfort over LEVs of 10-30yrs ago. In many cases mpg is the same.)&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Hmmm&#8230; a few amateur garage mechanics, a 20yr old(at that time) brick of a car, and a competition held 34yrs ago, and that same iron laden brick got 376mpg?!?!?!? Wow!!!! JUST goes to show what can be done when there&#8217;s no politics involved. Personally, I think hybrids are a hoax and will continue to be so long as there are a few gas-only models out there that can match a hybrids efficiency(ex. certain yrs. and models of Civics can match a new Civic hybrid. The only thing the hybrid has going for it is its increased size and interior comfort over LEVs of 10-30yrs ago. In many cases mpg is the same.)</p>
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