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		<title>By: GTwildfire</title>
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		<dc:creator>GTwildfire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 14:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s a novel concept. IF turbos became the norm, they would be more affordable.&lt;br /&gt;
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Equipment manufactured in smaller lots cost more, because the tooling and production cost vs. the amount of parts produced is greater.&lt;br /&gt;
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Take that exact same amount of tooling and prep, and instead up the number of units produced into the millions. The cost decreases significantly.&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;ve designed custom tools in the past (what I was schooled to do originally). The cost to produce one prototype I&#039;ve done was $16,000. The cost of production was in the hundreds, if hundreds were to be produced.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, consider that more commonplace turbos would mean more third-party manufacturers will be producing replacements for certain makes of cars. They will be more readily available and competition will also shave off cost.&lt;br /&gt;
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In short, Turbos will become less of an exotic item, and more of just another a common part, like a master cylinder or altenator.&lt;br /&gt;
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...and don&#039;t jibe me about them spinning in the tens of thousands of rpms. While that sounds extreme, it&#039;s not really anything special to produce anymore. Not on a mass scale.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Here&#8217;s a novel concept. IF turbos became the norm, they would be more affordable.<br />
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Equipment manufactured in smaller lots cost more, because the tooling and production cost vs. the amount of parts produced is greater.<br />
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Take that exact same amount of tooling and prep, and instead up the number of units produced into the millions. The cost decreases significantly.<br />
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I&#8217;ve designed custom tools in the past (what I was schooled to do originally). The cost to produce one prototype I&#8217;ve done was $16,000. The cost of production was in the hundreds, if hundreds were to be produced.<br />
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Also, consider that more commonplace turbos would mean more third-party manufacturers will be producing replacements for certain makes of cars. They will be more readily available and competition will also shave off cost.<br />
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In short, Turbos will become less of an exotic item, and more of just another a common part, like a master cylinder or altenator.<br />
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&#8230;and don&#8217;t jibe me about them spinning in the tens of thousands of rpms. While that sounds extreme, it&#8217;s not really anything special to produce anymore. Not on a mass scale.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 11:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;displacement. less parts to break.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>displacement. less parts to break.</p>
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		<title>By: Soup78</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soup78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I suppose the addition of a turbo/supercharger will add $2G&#039;s to a new car/truck. I would like it if GM put a turbo in the Colorado like back in the day with the Syclone&#039;s.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I suppose the addition of a turbo/supercharger will add $2G&#8217;s to a new car/truck. I would like it if GM put a turbo in the Colorado like back in the day with the Syclone&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: i_luv_dusty</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;This means it&#039;s going to be that much easier to tune cars and get more power out of them.  SWEET.&lt;br /&gt;
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Most factory-turbocharged vehicles have forged internals, which means they can take a bit of a beating.  So, all you need is an aftermarket boost controller to up the boost level, bigger injectors, and some tuning, and you&#039;ll easily be making more than the stock horsepower.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>This means it&#8217;s going to be that much easier to tune cars and get more power out of them.  SWEET.<br />
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Most factory-turbocharged vehicles have forged internals, which means they can take a bit of a beating.  So, all you need is an aftermarket boost controller to up the boost level, bigger injectors, and some tuning, and you&#8217;ll easily be making more than the stock horsepower.</p>
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		<title>By: Highspeedhijinks</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Bigger displacement... think about it people less moving parts means less parts to break. Hey VW guys ever find out what it costs to replace your turbo in a 1.8t. Yeah lots of Duechmarks&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Bigger displacement&#8230; think about it people less moving parts means less parts to break. Hey VW guys ever find out what it costs to replace your turbo in a 1.8t. Yeah lots of Duechmarks</p>
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		<title>By: Derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;My Jeep already runs on premium and gets 10mpg, so you tell me what i want. &lt;br /&gt;
Also here is a little math:&lt;br /&gt;
lets say you have a 20 gal. tank and 87 is $3.29 and 93 is $3.59: &lt;br /&gt;
3.29*20=$65.80, your V8 gets 13mpg, 65.80/13=$5.06 &lt;br /&gt;
3.59*20=$71.80, your turbo 4 gets 23mpg, 71.80/23=$3.12&lt;br /&gt;
(if you do not understand or i am a complete loony and fucked something up, TOO BAD!!!)&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>My Jeep already runs on premium and gets 10mpg, so you tell me what i want. <br />
Also here is a little math:<br />
lets say you have a 20 gal. tank and 87 is $3.29 and 93 is $3.59: <br />
3.29*20=$65.80, your V8 gets 13mpg, 65.80/13=$5.06 <br />
3.59*20=$71.80, your turbo 4 gets 23mpg, 71.80/23=$3.12<br />
(if you do not understand or i am a complete loony and fucked something up, TOO BAD!!!)</p>
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		<title>By: GTwildfire</title>
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		<dc:creator>GTwildfire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 08:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Aspirating engines with turbochargers often gives huge boosts in power. Also, most stock cars can often be tuned to squeeze out more power. No reason auto makers can&#039;t do on assembly lines what everyday people do in their garages or driveways.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This way automakers can continue to cling tenaciously to producing IC cars, deny people a change that&#039;s really needed in what powers them.&lt;br /&gt;
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<p>Aspirating engines with turbochargers often gives huge boosts in power. Also, most stock cars can often be tuned to squeeze out more power. No reason auto makers can&#8217;t do on assembly lines what everyday people do in their garages or driveways.</p>
<p>This way automakers can continue to cling tenaciously to producing IC cars, deny people a change that&#8217;s really needed in what powers them.<br />
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Sounds like a plan&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: retroman</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;No replacement for displacement they say. Really though, I already got a factory turboed Spirit R/T pushing 224 stock. Gets 30+mpg and is almost every bit as quick as a new Mustang GT I&#039;m rebuilding it. I could go all out and break 500hp off of just 2.2l of displacement, but I&#039;ll keep her between 300-350 because I want to keep a factory look. I&#039;ll keep my smaller cars for daily transportation. I&#039;m still craving a V8 for the weekends though.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>No replacement for displacement they say. Really though, I already got a factory turboed Spirit R/T pushing 224 stock. Gets 30+mpg and is almost every bit as quick as a new Mustang GT I&#8217;m rebuilding it. I could go all out and break 500hp off of just 2.2l of displacement, but I&#8217;ll keep her between 300-350 because I want to keep a factory look. I&#8217;ll keep my smaller cars for daily transportation. I&#8217;m still craving a V8 for the weekends though.</p>
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		<title>By: Secret Squirrel</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Turbos will typically require the higher octane gas, so more costly, but more mileage, it might all wash out, but i&#039;m positive.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Turbos will typically require the higher octane gas, so more costly, but more mileage, it might all wash out, but i&#8217;m positive.</p>
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		<title>By: Stewart</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Well....&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m a fan of both.&lt;br /&gt;
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I love my 5.7 liter, and have plans to stroke it to 383 CI.&lt;br /&gt;
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That said, I just sold our Supercharged 3.8L Riviera.  That car was pretty quick, and with a few minor modifications, they can run really quick.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, one of my all-time-favorite cars is the 1987 Buick Regal Grand National.&lt;br /&gt;
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Buick did some amazing stuff back in the day.  Those cars were faster and quicker than any other car.  The Corvette guys hated them.&lt;br /&gt;
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I guess it didn&#039;t help that a lot of the GN guys had bumper stickers that read:  &quot;I brake for Corvettes&quot; !!!&lt;br /&gt;
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As long as cars have performance, and don&#039;t all become hybrid-boring-drones, I&#039;ll be happy.&lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t want the best performance car out there to be the Prius &quot;R&quot;!&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Well&#8230;.<br />
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I&#8217;m a fan of both.<br />
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I love my 5.7 liter, and have plans to stroke it to 383 CI.<br />
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That said, I just sold our Supercharged 3.8L Riviera.  That car was pretty quick, and with a few minor modifications, they can run really quick.<br />
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Also, one of my all-time-favorite cars is the 1987 Buick Regal Grand National.<br />
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Buick did some amazing stuff back in the day.  Those cars were faster and quicker than any other car.  The Corvette guys hated them.<br />
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I guess it didn&#8217;t help that a lot of the GN guys had bumper stickers that read:  &#8220;I brake for Corvettes&#8221; !!!<br />
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As long as cars have performance, and don&#8217;t all become hybrid-boring-drones, I&#8217;ll be happy.<br />
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I don&#8217;t want the best performance car out there to be the Prius &#8220;R&#8221;!</p>
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