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May 23, 2008

Seriously: Tire-Noise Legislation?

By Jen Dunnaway

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Clearly, bureaucrats in Europe hate cars more than life itself, but this seems like a stretch even for them: the European Commission is now attacking the noise made by vehicle tires. But what noise are they talking about? That soothing slushhhh of traffic going by on a rainy street? That burly wah-wah-wah-wah-wah-wah that comes from a Jeep rolling down the highway on mudders? And if a car actually makes a lot of wheel noise going over a road, doesn’t that generally just mean that the road needs to be paved better? Frankly, I can’t imagine what this legislation can possibly be targeting, since I don’t believe there’s an excess of Europeans doing noisy burnouts—they mostly drive underpowered commuter microbots over there, don’t they? The only possible conclusion anyone could reach is that, since modern cars have gotten so quiet that you can’t even tell if they’re running anymore, some busybodies have decided they’re "bothered" by the sounds that tires make—the only part of a car that makes any sound at all anymore. Anyway, the first I’d heard of this bizarre movement to silence European rollomundos was this NYT item explaining that SUV’s might be exempt from it. Some people are pretty upset about this, linking tire noise to stress-related illnesses. Are they serious? I can’t believe what some folks choose to spend their time on—or that anyone even has enough time on their hands to bother getting worked up about tire noise at all. Can you?

Can you hear me?

Comments

BK
Jun 19, 2008 at 12:32 pm

I love my z-rated Dunlops as they carry my 400hp Ferrari powered Maser through the corners, but I’m a disappointed in Dunlop for other reasons.

Everyone’s so sure that legislating tire noise is stupid? Consider NVH engineers (Noise Vibration and Harshness) at all auto companies lay ~$200+ into each vehicle to reduce tire and other external noise inside the car. Note that Tire noise is by far the largest noise they have to deal with. Thats a $5Billion+ spend annually. Further, the various state and federal DOT engineers lay in over $20B in noise barriers along highways every year. Go to Japan and see the highly engineered noise tunnels they’ve constructed. Just look at the 30 ft. high decorated concrete increasinly enveloping our increasingly urban highways.

Meanwhile little has been done by the tire manufacturers to fool with geometry and materials to eliminate/reduce the noise for free (or close to it). Legislation will force the mfg. to do what they should be doing anyway and save us all a boatload of cash.

So tell me again why this is stupid.

Fireball22
May 25, 2008 at 11:08 pm

Actually, Stewart’s not that far off… there’s a guy in Arizona who wants to outlaw internet Wi-Fi because he says that the signals are giving him headaches, and that his demands should be met under the Americans with Disabilities Act. (I am not making this up, folks.)

I guess some alien forgot to remove the guy’s anal probe after the experimentation was complete…

Boy
May 24, 2008 at 6:59 pm

I’m from the UK and, yes, the EU hate cars. Thankfully the Germans are holding them up from ruining everyone’s fun but it can’t last forever.

The saddest thing is that we have some of the best driving roads over here.

As for big burnouts, buy an econobox, tune the hell out of it then leave the handbrake on and dump the clutch fast. Instant smoke machine.

Devo
May 24, 2008 at 5:17 am

LOL… Stewart’s a funny guy

Jeremy
May 24, 2008 at 3:49 am

They should make everybody roll on boggers for a month…then see how much they complain about road tires after that.

freakin’ idiots.

Stewart
May 23, 2008 at 11:31 pm

I can’t wait to hear about the complaints on how noisy trains are…
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Then there is the always controversial topic of planes…
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Just this morning, I was awakened to the sound of birds chirping…
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Damn birds, they create noise too!!!
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The people across the street are having new siding installed, so
I can hear a circular saw cutting all day…very noisy…I hear hammers too… Darn neighbors. What are they thinking????!!!!
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Tomorrow morning, I expect to hear ALL the neighbors mowing their lawns…
We have a push mower (no motor), but I can still hear it…
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Good God!
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What are we going to do about all this white noise?!?!?!?!
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I guess I’ll just get different tires, hope the trains and planes stop running, shoot all the birds with a BB gun, tell the neighbors not to re-side their house, and tell everyone to stop mowing their lawns…
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Then there’s music that people play in their homes and cars….
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Oh boy….

Derrick
May 23, 2008 at 12:25 pm

Wasn’t there an article recently about cars being to quiet, and that the blind were having trouble noticing when a car was approaching?
So tell me, where is the god damned middle?!

Tony
May 23, 2008 at 8:45 am

The surface of the road (its material) actually contributes to tyre noise. Tyres are generally quieter on road surfaces like asphalt, whereas surfaces like concrete create a noticeable difference in road noise. There was a study here (Gold Coast, Australia) a couple years ago which analysed the DB reading of cars on the two above surfaces and they found a considerable increase in road noise from tyres on a concrete surface compared with an asphalt surface. One section of the highway (110km speed limit) was asphalt and the other section was contrete (same speed limit), and once the cars connected with the conctrete surface, the DB reading increased dramatically. Unfortunatly I don’t know what difference in increase that was, but it was considerable.

Chris
May 23, 2008 at 5:29 am

I’m going to have to be the “idiot” here and slightly agree with them. Tire noise is pretty much inaudible at anything under 40 MPH. Drive a convertible on the highway, and the tire noise coming from the other cars is annoying. Drive a Jeep with the doors off (like I do daily) and the tire noise on the highway is deafening. Not to mention, if you live next to a highway (I did for 2 years in college) all the noise your hear is from the tires. That’s what the noise from highways is…tires. Now, I actually grew to like the ambient noise of the highway…but I’m a car guy. In Phoenix, the highways are paved with rubberized “quiet pavement” that drastically cuts down tire noise…so the technology is in place to fix it…it’s just really expensive to repave all the roads. I can’t imagine that tire technology is going to get any better, so I don’t want to see any government mandates about it. Instead of wasting time telling companies what they can and cannot sell, why not fix the damned roads!?!

Stewart
May 23, 2008 at 4:45 am

I would be happy to rev my car’s engine for these nuts.
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If they hate car noise, they’re gonna really hate my car ;)
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Perhaps I should get the electric exhaust cutouts I’ve been pondering…
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The only “tire noise” I ever hear is if I’m frying ‘em on purpose,
a nice, satisfying second gear “chirp”, or a bit of squealing if
I’m pushing it in the curves…
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“Tire noise”…….Ha Ha Ha!!!
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What a bunch of morons…

Smart Cars
May 23, 2008 at 2:39 am

This is too funny. Actually it is just stupid enough for me to post on my blog… http://www.thisisjuststupid.com. I think I will bookmark this post right now and write about it over the weekend.

Captain Bacon
May 23, 2008 at 2:18 am

Dumb.

GTwildfire
May 23, 2008 at 2:07 am

what a bunch of idiots.

Scott
May 23, 2008 at 1:59 am

They say that cars are just as noisy now as they were in the 70′s, don’t make me laugh. If that’s true I want to know where all these muscle car sounding vehicles are hiding among the hybrids and econoboxes. Having been to Europe if they want to lower noise pollution, get rid of the horns instead, that would definitely reduce all of the stress related illness that traffic is causing.

Gopher
May 23, 2008 at 1:19 am

I can.

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