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October 30, 2008
Who or What Caused the Porsche vs. Nissan Rivalry?
By 993C4S
Porsche Purist
Prior to the GT-R bursting onto the scene, Nissan and Porsche were not competitors. They serve(d) two completely different market segments. They have little to no history as competitors in motorsports and until the introduction of the Nissan GT-R to the US, Nissan was not really thought of as a sports car company (and no, I’m not forgetting about earlier Datsun and Nissan Z cars). Why then is there all this commotion about Porsche vs. Nissan? Are we, the online and print media, the reason for this rivalry? Or, was it part of the Nissan marketing plan all along? Continue reading…
We won’t go through all the minutia of how and when things started. If you’re interested you can see the complete history in this article where Porsche stated they couldn’t replicate Godzilla’s time on the Nurburgring.
The exact statement by Porsche’s August Achleitner, the 911 product chief was,
This wonder car with 7:29 could not have been a regular series production car. For us, it’s not clear how this time is possible. What we can imagine with this Nissan is they used other tires.”
Soon there after Nissan responded with the following,
Quite simply we’re not going to get into a war of words with Porsche,” said Neil Reeve, Nissan’s European spokesman. “The final word from us is that it was done on absolutely standard tires, which are available to customers in the showroom. They’re not trick tires – absolutely standard tires, normal road tires. The GT-R comes with Bridgestone and Goodyear (Dunlop). One tire gives slightly better times around the ‘Ring. We did it on Dunlop. They’re available with the car.”
But let’s not blow it out of all proportion,” said Reeve. “We’re not crying about it. We’re not going to sook (sulk?) about it. I’m cheeky enough to say it’s flattering that Porsche has bought itself a GT-R and flown it to Germany. They want to try it. I guess that’s some kind of stamp of approval. It’s great to have the competition. We’re absolutely proud of the GT-R. It’s a fabulous sports car, really epic. The level of performance that it delivers is really so impressive for the price at which it’s positioned.”
Read closely the words in bold above and then read the quote below from an article in Road and Track Magazine that accompanies their comparison of the GT-R to the Porsche 911 Turbo (along with the Corvette Z06.) Road and Track states,
That Nissan engineers used the 911 Turbo as their benchmark is not secret. At every GT-R event we’ve attended, a Porsche 911 Turbo was always lurking in the background, presumably used by Nissan engineers as a target vehicle.
If Road and Track is to be believed (and we have no reason not to) then not surprisingly, and “no secret”, the original source of the rivalry begins with Nissan. What is unfortunate is that Porsche continues to propagate it and add validity to it with their comments. This in turn provides a windfall for the automotive media in terms of content. Why not just let the proverbial sleeping dog lie?
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infiltrator
Nov 9, 2008 at 5:09 pm
in the end Chevy and Dodge will just be pages in the history books because they’ll be bankrupt.
chris
Nov 1, 2008 at 6:05 pm
how about in the end…chevy and dodge both have cars that stomp the shit out of these pieces of shit so who cares fuck foriegn cars
Steve
Oct 31, 2008 at 7:43 pm
The BNR32 GT-R caused the Porsche/GT-R rivalry.
When it beat the 959′s lap time around the Nurburgring in 1989, you would have thought Reagan had shot Bush in the face, it was THAT BIG.
The feud has never stopped either. The BCNR33 GT-R V-Spec just had to eclipse the 993 Turbo, and the BNR34 GT-R V-Spec II Nur just HAD to kill the 996 Turbo.
It all runs down too the fact that the Japanese are trying to stake a claim, and Porsche is always taking the backburner.
Nissan caused the fight, but when Porsche came out fists a flyin, Nissan stood ground, and won the rounds.
Dhillaz
Oct 31, 2008 at 5:27 pm
I think it’s only fair that the warranty expires if you race it: otherwise it’s like they’re paying you to run a racing team.
bean
Oct 31, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Don’t get me wrong, I hate porsches in general, I just felt the need to point out the fact that while the GT-R is an impressively fast car, the fact that it has GPS in it that has every race track in the world programmed in to it, and tones down the performance when the car ISNT on the track, is ridiculous. The fact that your warranty is automatically voided if your car ever goes in to track mode just adds insult to injury. GT-R owners are being cheated.
bob balderston
Oct 31, 2008 at 1:23 pm
does this all mean when chery sends a car over with cheater slicks, will porsche buy one too?
Nes!
Oct 31, 2008 at 1:36 am
What Nissan wanted to do by having a Porsche during tests was just to see how close they were from their target! This case being the 911. Porsche on the other hand felt targeted and put their guard up by making claims that Nissan was cheating with the tires. Then Nissan proved them wrong by saying “The final word from us is that it was done on absolutely standard tires, which are available to customers in the showroom.” Which in lame terms says “Dudes at Porsche quit the bitching, our car came out way better than you expect it to be.” Thus making look Porsche like whinning little girls.
In the comotion of all of this it didn’t help Porsche that this was being printed on most of the important and relevant car magazines and also blogged in every car website.
In my opinion Porsche started making this thing bigger by making false accusations about tires! How about next time just say “Job well done Nissan” At least you will still have dignity by the end of the day.
SpeedCanHurt
Oct 31, 2008 at 1:35 am
Porsches and Skylines have always been similarly priced and performance is also usually comparable. It’s kinda inevitable that they would end up with this sort of rivalry.
bob balderston
Oct 30, 2008 at 7:33 pm
all the creedance that porsche owners are truley whinning crying penises with ears…..pitty a japanese car can whip your high pedigree p-car…stock