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November 15, 2008

Would You Run a FRAM Oil Filter on Your 20 Million Dollar Ferrari?

By Rob Einaudi

Editor-in-Chief

On Thursday I posted pics of this beautiful 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO, and Steve noticed that it had a FRAM oil filter. I asked Patrick Ernzen about it and he said that "they’re considered ‘acceptable’ and I believe they’re frequently used in vintage Ferraris like this." My buddies over on Moparts tend to get pretty worked up any time someone brings up FRAM, and usually post a link to this site. I’ve never had a bad experience with FRAM, but I generally run the Napa Gold filters made by WIX on my Mopar.

Would You Put a FRAM Oil Filter on Your 20 Million Dollar Ferrari?

Comments

jerry marinella
Feb 14, 2009 at 7:21 am

I have been using fram filters and mobile 1 oil, only in my truck. no more. The last three times I started my truck in the morning,the lifters sounded like there was no oil. after a short time, I had about 10 pounds of pressure. When it warmed up and the rest of day it would be fine. The last time was the same except, when I was driving at 25 mph the oil Gage was at80 lb. I changed oil filter, now it starts and runs all day like a new motor.

dwc43
Jan 30, 2009 at 10:15 pm

We use Fram filters on all of race cars and they work great. Use them on our car hauler and other street cars as well. We’ve used them for over 24 years now without a single failure in the filter or any engine component due to the filter.

Patrick Ernzen
Nov 19, 2008 at 5:12 pm

“Cadillactien
Nov 18, 2008 10:35:11 AM
Just because you owen a uper end car, dose not equal to that in BRAINS.”

Well… the owner of this car, or at least, the guy who brought it out, is a former Ferrari, Ford and other teams racecar driver, Ferrari dealership owner and he/his shop have bought/restored/sold enough amazing vintage race/street cars that even the most serious of collectors would be impressed. Point is, this guy is FAR from an idiot and most likely has more experience/knowledge (when it comes to this sort of car) than anyone you know, and that’s not meant to be an insult.

Anonymous
Nov 19, 2008 at 2:35 am

Wix, NOT NAPA GOLD but a Wix and Castrolsyntec oil ONLY, 1988 GMC

Tony
Nov 19, 2008 at 1:07 am

There is no way i would run a fram on that car. I wont use one on my saturn or mustang. I use Mobil 1 filters now. I used to use Motorcraft and AC Delco filters figured manufacturer used them and gave the cars a warranty they are probably pretty good. If you want to read some cool stuff on oil filters here is a link.
http://www.knizefamily.net/minimopar/oilfilters/index.html

Anonymous
Nov 18, 2008 at 11:57 pm

My grandmother lost an engine in her ’79 Cougar due to a Fram filter. I, personally would never guy one.

GMS
Nov 18, 2008 at 11:52 pm

Fram had gotten a bad name lately. They are one of things that “used” to be good. Just like Sony. All their stuff is crap now too.

Putting that filter on that car? For the amount of run time that car gets, it probally doesn’t really matter.

Mikey
Nov 18, 2008 at 11:21 pm

Hmmm wouldn’t put dat in my Bimma and yet it’s nothing compared to a Ferrari, Frams only go into my Maxima….

Val
Nov 18, 2008 at 10:24 pm

I heard of not so good things about fram as well. I used the oil filters once or 2wice on my old car, before buying from the honda dealer, the construction of the filter was slightly different, it had a magnet at the bottom of the filter to catch large particles unlike the fram which had nothing.

Satty12
Nov 18, 2008 at 10:13 pm

I have used fram oilfilters since i started driving and never had a problem, and to bob balderson you hit the nail on the head thankyou. i could buy a wix or a fram and its basicaly the same thing except for the suregrip fram offers such a great thing makes changes that much easier and every manufac has a bad batch i bought a leaky fram then replaced with another fram problem solved,my father buys the napagold same thing one was leaky and one was not so dont just buy into the hype although the K&N is great with its socket removable filter will try that next time just for SH!T$ and giggles.

Anonymous
Nov 18, 2008 at 8:47 pm

That orange filter is Frams “top end” filter,
they are still garbage.
They’ve been knowen to NOT last long compared to other filters on the market.
its suppose to last at least 3,000 miles, FRAMS get maybe half of that in some cases.

Anonymous
Nov 18, 2008 at 8:42 pm

oil filters are all the same.

you just pay for the name.

case closed.

Cadillactien
Nov 18, 2008 at 6:35 pm

Just because you owen a uper end car, dose not equal to that in BRAINS.

Anonymous
Nov 18, 2008 at 3:47 pm

IH-international: Mad agreed!!!

XTZTwinTurbo
Nov 18, 2008 at 10:41 am

Probablly not. I wouldn’t use it on my 650hp Z. I would use an Amsoil micron filter or equivalent..

Anonymous
Nov 18, 2008 at 7:50 am

Ummm thats odd that they;d use a FRAM, well ive never had bad experiences with them but thats when I was down on money and couldnt afford anything else, Thy get the job done I guess…. but on a Ferrari??? i dunno about that one?

chris
Nov 18, 2008 at 6:43 am

fram is garbage!!!!!!…what the hell where they thinking!!!!1

Devilcat
Nov 18, 2008 at 6:23 am

FRAM, I use to sell parts and received a lot of info and training from all the big names. One of the things that made me ROFL was hearing that Purolator was the primary outsource mfg for FRAM. They built them to FRAMs spec: paper filter, filtering down to 15 microns, no clog saftey valve. Purolators were not paper and down to 8 microns and a clog valve. Why put cheap on a car.

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IH-international
Nov 18, 2008 at 5:26 am

fram’s are great!!! nuff said

nick bean
Nov 18, 2008 at 4:46 am

i have always used fram. i use them on my chevy truck, honda civic, and the wife’s toyota solara. every car before then same thing, i think i just like the sure grip. i have never had any problems that i know of, but i damn sure wouldn’t use one on a high end car. its all relative—-honda–economically priced parts and accessories. ferrari—ballin’ out on everything put in or on the car.

TIGASHARKAFTADRK
Nov 18, 2008 at 2:38 am

do we really car

Russ
Nov 16, 2008 at 11:18 pm

From what I have heard, usually the cheaper filters offer better flow anyways…..But if I had a 20 million dollar ride, I wouldn’t be putting the cheapest filter I could find on it!……I’ll never have to worry about that one I guess…..LOL

John-Gelnett
Nov 16, 2008 at 2:57 pm

I use Fram in all my vehicles, always have. Never had a problem and the oil always looks good when I do my oil changes.

Captain Bacon
Nov 16, 2008 at 5:46 am

Well, orange is the complimentary color to blue, so it kinda works, y’know?

retroman
Nov 16, 2008 at 5:41 am

I’ve used alot of different filters and oil types, but the combo I keep coming back to is the K&N Gold Filter with Royal Purple synthetic. Could be in my head, but it seems my ride just performs better with those two…

fortyfordsedan
Nov 16, 2008 at 4:03 am

I have always used the Napa Gold Filter and stayed away from Fram. In high school we cut apart oil filters and the Fram filters look so cheap and fragile compared to most other brands. I will admit that you will probably never have a problem idling your car around town with any filter, but I would rather spend the same or less to get a better filter.

GTwildfire
Nov 16, 2008 at 3:08 am

I’ve never had a problem with Fram filters, but haven’t used them exclusively. I think i’d use the best available filter for a 20 million dollar car, though.

oldscoob
Nov 16, 2008 at 1:47 am

a filter clogging is a piece of crap inline. I mean engine, generally speaking. I see the one in photo lets the crud fly (it is not a micronic filter). Fram does make a 99% filter, and it needs an exact science to make it work with your engine (correct oil weight etc). I like the frams, they are always nice and heavy when it comes time to change. (heavy == it actually captured slime balls and kept them). Also in photo, it is upside down. For all that money, you would think ferrari gave more concern…

i_luv_dusty
Nov 16, 2008 at 1:29 am

Wasn’t there an issue a year or so ago with FRAM oil filters clogging and damaging some high-performance engines?
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FRAM = suck

Anonymous
Nov 15, 2008 at 11:27 pm

I’ve never had a problem with Fram. I decide to try a differant filter with my new motor{which I think was a Purolator} and I had a leak down the back of the filter.Took it off to find the Purolator’s lip was leaking. Since then, I’ve been using the ph30 and I haven’t had a leak since then and I did it the same way I did the Purolator.

JohnO62
Nov 15, 2008 at 10:21 pm

I wish I would of known this before…
I been running delcos in my car for most of it’s 100k miles. At least i’ve changed them at 3k miles so it shouldn’t matter much.

bob balderston
Nov 15, 2008 at 7:08 pm

whether it is a ford p/u or even a m1a1 tank; the filters, as most parts, meet a level of standards, set by the o.e.m.; most, legit, aftermarket parts, are same, if not, better than original; most aftermarket suppliers, provide the same part to the o.e.’s as well; which throws out the apples to oranges theme as well….one long look at the maufactures list of suppliers, will give people a better insite to what really goes into your baby, or beater. if you use chrysler for example, it is a company, that builds most of their cars and trucks via suppliers, they farm out most of the sub-assy’s and assemble it in their plants, sometimes not, and call it theirs..shoot, magna, out of canada, builds more chryslers than chrysler does

Steve
Nov 15, 2008 at 5:40 pm

Hmm, I never expected my comment to start a new blog topic, but after working in the automotive aftermarket for three years, I can say that the statement of all oil filters being pretty much the same is true.

I just always associated FRAM with F150′s and Camaro’s is all. That’s why it was such a shock to see it on a 10million+ dollar car. Then again, I could be wrong.

You can never know to much! And you always know too little.

Austin
Nov 15, 2008 at 5:06 pm

Actually, they are not all the same. There is really only about 5 companies making filters, but a Fram is not the same as a Wix. I don’t know from experience, but I have heard enough bad things about Fram to just spend the same amount of money or less and get a Napa Gold(Wix)filter.

Jeremy
Nov 15, 2008 at 4:01 pm

I changed oil all summer, and the only filters that i saw any problems with were hastings filters, specifically the ones that go on the older model toyota camrys, with the 4 cyl that you have to burn your arm on the manifold to reach the filter. We had at least 4 with leaking filters just while i worked there, and they said an engine burnt up before i started working because of the same thing. After the last one that leaked messed up another engine, and we switched out everything to napa. And as far as i can tell, the only difference between napa and napa golf filters is the color of the canister. Of course i still have a hastings on my truck right now, and the mobile 1′s still clean after 5000 miles.

bob balderston
Nov 15, 2008 at 3:41 pm

i have 27 years in the aftermarket industry..i have bad news for 95% of folk with common misconceptions such as these…oil filters and air filters as well as spark plugs and such, are commodity market items; ie…everyone’s oil filters are made by each other…ie; fram says, we are making 250,000 of a certain part number, style filter; toyota will buy, 50,000, painted their colors, wix will buy, 100,000; so on and so on…only when so called premium filters are made, the container is still made by the mass producer, but the media, the inside part, will be supplied, or purchased by the manufactor/distr of the filter, and it is boxed and shipped to your favorite parts outlet….don’t let the media hype try to confuse you…basic filters are all the same, period…if you really do some research, not the manufactur’s so-called testing, you will see what is really happening. sometimes, you are just paying for and buying into media sales…and the companies thank you for it

TG Williams
Nov 15, 2008 at 3:16 pm

Ja-ja-ja! Blaming the filter for Mopar’s errors! Like teh 3.5L debacle?

It’s not the filter, it’s the engine! Next time buy a Ford!

Anonymous
Nov 15, 2008 at 2:10 pm

Absolutely not. Those things are garbage. Too bad they still somehow have a good reputation.

CUBE
Nov 15, 2008 at 11:58 am

Hell no…..I do not use FRAM even on my 10 years old beaters cars.

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