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August 3, 2009

Cash for Clunkers: Oh the Humanity

By David Clarke

David Clarke

Last month I alerted you that the dealership I work for was beginning to take in “Clunkers” for trade. Well, up until yesterday those cars were waiting out back  with their fate yet to be determined. Now, their engines are being destroyed by a lethal injection of sodium wilicate or “liquid glass,” a chemical that expands and turns into hardened glass when heat is applied. So far out of the ten vehicles we’ve regretfully destroyed, the engines which have lasted the longest have been a Vortec 350 and a Jeep 4.0 liter. I’m not surprised that both of these exceptional engines withstood five and a half minutes at 2,000 rpm before succumbing to friction and seizing. The worst engine was in a Kia Sedona—it lasted just a minute and a half.  I can’t bear to video these mechanical “homicides,” but there are those that have. Don’t watch if you’re squeamish.

Comments

Sa-10
Aug 12, 2009 at 7:18 am

This is the stupidest thing ever! Y target even the car industry!?!!?! Y don’t these tree huggers n government point the environment problems at other places like these chimneys rolling around everywhere that consume so much gas n pollute more then some factories…there called big rigs, & buses!! Tractors, & buses r not monitored, they need the cash for clunkers!! This is not at all going 2 help the economy. Jus think about all those people that drive these still useable cars that in there eyes are clunkers which there just old cars, what makes them think in the first place they could even afford the new cars? That’s y there driving old cars in the first place!! These same cars will be on used car lots a year from now cause they couldn’t afford it in the first place.Us putting up the money for a stupid ass program is insane!! That doesn’t create jobs, it adds 2 the snowball effect. Funny how they own part of a few car makers n this is what they come up with? By the way congress..smooth move on putting chemicals in the air by the dumbest way of “disposing” the engine. JASPER engine rebuilders you gotta help us out!!!

KEEP ON LIVING BERTA!! MY 94 BMW WITH OVER 287,000 MILES, NO SMOKE COMING OUT OF THIS TAIL PIPE!! Little help with about 3 or 4 year old rebuilt heads 

brewcitybrad
Aug 11, 2009 at 10:32 pm

and he drives a prelude that should been the car in the video talk about p.o.s look for yourself

bigbad4runner
Aug 11, 2009 at 9:31 pm

the guy below me is the real ignorant fool. thats is a shame to think that our society is that self centered and wasteful to do that to a perfectly fine car. i know plenty of needy families or homeless that could have put that car too good use by o i dont know DRIVING TO WORK, MAKING A LIVING, SUPPORTING THEMSELVES SO ME AND YOU AND UNCLE FUCKING SAM DONT HAVE TO! i know they are trying to boost the economy, but how about try not making the cars til they are ordered, or even try taking some of the junk cars the build today melt them down and recycle them instead! i’m sure some traded in on this program are just as well off by doing this to them but lets try and save a few of the good ones and put them to good use for fucks sake!

ILLUDE-U
Aug 11, 2009 at 7:48 pm

All the problems we have…. and you all are crying over some ragged ass cars that are going to be recyled into new ones. THe intelligence of Rednecks……zero. grow some balls!

ILLUDE-U
Aug 11, 2009 at 7:46 pm

Its time to get rid of these old raggedy ass cars anyway.

ILLUDE-U
Aug 11, 2009 at 7:45 pm

I wish yall shut the f up.Crying like a bunch of b’s.Look,its just cars that arent worth crap anyway.You Kuntry ass redneck muthafookers.You need to get a job and make some real money and you can afford to buy a new car.Instead of crying over old p.o.s. Farther more, stop blaming OBAMA.. F him? F you racist mf. Dont tell me about wasting money! Go find out where the hell BUSH put 3 Trillion dollars.. F OBAMA? Get your condoms out cause you gonna have to f him too…….. Have fun you gay ass retards.

89RSCAMAROMAN
Aug 11, 2009 at 5:08 pm

This is Crazy. You know they could still do the cash for clunkers but take the cars and put them in the junk yard and just specify that they are only for parts. so they could be making money in 2 ways instead of screwing the american people. I have a 89 camaro and couldnt do this to my car. My son will be driving in a few years and i feel sorry for him if he decideds to do a project car. FUCK OBAMA!!

Philholmesduh
Aug 11, 2009 at 2:03 pm

damn i would like to have that vortec 350

THEONE-ORIGINALS
Aug 10, 2009 at 6:02 pm

THEY ARE DESTROYING CARS THAT ARE NICER THEN MY DAILY DRIVER AND THERE USING MY MONEY TO DO IT ????
WAIT UNTIL THIS BECOMES MANDATORY FOR ALL CARS OVER TEN YEARS OLD. STOP THE MADNESS http://www.campaignforliberty.com

lil_redxl
Aug 10, 2009 at 5:36 pm

That fricken thing even has aftermarket dual pipes on it, sell the thing to a junkyard and use the parts instead of f***ing the engines and crushing them and wasting good parts
I bet the car manufacturers love this now everyone guna have to buy parts new instead of good quality used ones
glad to be in canada but what a shame

ACCORD2HARMONY
Aug 10, 2009 at 3:09 pm

Dude Jayz give it up

528ibimmer
Aug 10, 2009 at 11:48 am

this is horrible. That is pretty much a really good looking car? sounds healthy as hell to? why the fuck would they do this? i cant even begin to imagine people trading in mustangs and camaros and haveing them to that shit to those. im a mustang lover and that would make my cry man its shit. Nobama for us get the fuck out!

94_PGDSE
Aug 10, 2009 at 9:41 am

I’ve watched quite a few videos on Youtube and yeah, like some people here, I’m kinda mad. I’m Canadian and this doesn’t even have to do with Canada. But the things the chemical smoke would do to the atmosphere? I’m not saying Obama is stupid for coming up with this, but they definately should of thought of different ways of disposing engines. From not having oil in the engine and that glass liquid stuff, killing the engine & making the exhaust spew smoke, who knows what it’s doing to the environment. Half of the cars they put down for Cash for Clunkers are in almost showroom condition anyway, why should they be destroyed? This is absolutely terrible, along with the people that give up their cars to this fate. Unless they absolutely had to. If I’ve offended anyone, it wasn’t intentional, I was just kind of venting.

ITMVSME
Aug 10, 2009 at 9:02 am

Our lovely government wants Toyota Supras to get this done for a lousy $4,500????? Kiichiro Toyoda would rollover in his grave….

They couldn’t find safer away to kill? These cars are still worth more than that stupid $4,500 at a junk yard?

Matt_Grimm
Aug 9, 2009 at 9:33 pm

So,here’s my take on cash for clunkers and the whole green car hype.Well,what is the government going to do once they destroy all these vehicles?Nothing,that’s what.All they are doing is creating a bigger mess for the environment.Seizing these motors is just plane stupid.Where is all this stuff supposed to go?How about the auto corporations limit their production numbers and stop making more than they sell?Maybe that would be a little better for the companies.The reason people aren’t buying newer cars is because they can’t afford it,the economy is horrible right now.Obama has spent more on the budget instead of trying to repair it.Also,the whole green car hype is ridiculous.They aren’t any better for the environment.The batteries in the hybrids and electric cars are worse for the environment then the exhaust put out by a big block V8,the chemicals used in those batteries are far more harmful than gas fumes,and not to mention more expensive to manufacture.They also make more waste than most vehicles once you send one to the junkyard.Even worse,a lot of these places participating in the cash for clunkers program are doing this same thing to classic pre-75 auto’s which were supposed to be exempt from this program,many of those vehicle whose parts and motors could be sold to restore other old vehicles,therefore recirculating money in to the near dead auto industry.

IcymikeDaBoss
Aug 9, 2009 at 8:25 pm

THIS IS JUST PLAIN FUCKED UP!
I DON’T EVEN LIKE AURORAS BUT THE FACT THAT THEY’RE DOING THIS TO ALL THE CARS THEY GET TRADED IN IS FUCKED UP! FUCK 2 THE UP!
WHAT THE YOUNG CATS GON DO IN THE FUTURE WHEN ALL THE BEATER CARS ARE GONE AND THEY GET THEIR L’S???
WHERE THE FUCK ALL THE PROJECT CARS GON BE FO US UP AND COMING MECHANICS?
I’M PISSED OFF FAM.

JayzIntegra
Aug 9, 2009 at 7:45 pm

Ha..ha. Pre K. Taking that last cheap shot cause that all ya got… LoL.. and I said Pro Obama not pro Dem. Look who’s talking about pre K. I’m spelling it out for the kid and he’s still quoting me wrong. Oh well… some people just can’t except the truth for what it is. That’s too bad.. ;)

ACCORD2HARMONY
Aug 9, 2009 at 7:22 pm

I never claimed to be pro dem. its funny how everyone is saying hes not following thorough on his plans but frankly he only said change he never really dove into detail about what kind of change… *analogy* if u have a kid with cancer and u ask for change and i give u two kids with cancer its not the change u wanted but its change. Well i guess ill end as well its late and im sure ur first day of pre-k begins tomorow :) USA all the way

JayzIntegra
Aug 9, 2009 at 6:58 pm

Actually Andrew. I have been taking notes. And not one thing that man has said he would do has come to past and the only CHANGE that I have seen so far is that the government has got a lot bigger and has a lot more control, while the freedom of U.S. citizens has been slowly pulled out from underneath us and the weight of some serious financial burden is placed on our backs and our children. It may be change that you want , but I like my country and my freedom too much to just sit and let it be taken from me by anyone. You be Pro Obama and I’ll just keep being Pro U.S. I’m going to end on that note cause I know your just going to keep throwing “well its Bush’s fault , its the republicans fault. Obama is the greatest man to ever be president” Please. Save that for someone that don’t know better. Peace yall ! LoL…

ACCORD2HARMONY
Aug 9, 2009 at 6:09 pm

Big black hoe 98 for example this isnt Obamas idea its Senator John Mcains idea (and its a good one)

ACCORD2HARMONY
Aug 9, 2009 at 6:07 pm

Well good question see if u didnt destroy the engines whoose to say someone wouldnt re-use them therefore defeating the purpose and it doesnt cost much money its not like he spent billions of dollars out sourcing this to other countrs say saudi arabia like others *clears throat* its not really that big of a deal, if u dont wanna do it then dont if u do then do it its not like the government is gonna be coming to ur house late night and loading ur car onto a tow truck and hauling it away for-ever. There are alotta people posting here who dont seem to be clear of whats really happining there just hearing bits and pieces and self informing out of pre existent ignorance. Dont do that its damaging watch as the president speaks take notes it will help :)

bigblackhoe98
Aug 9, 2009 at 1:05 pm

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That’s Obama’s plan.

JayzIntegra
Aug 9, 2009 at 11:09 am

Accord2Harmony. Buying some new cars is not going to bring our country out of this economic downfall. If the president would quit spending money we don’t have then we may have some hope ,but instead he’s spending it clear into the next 3 or 4 generations of U.S. citizens. Why couldn’t the engines have been recycled without destroying them? That was the part that I thought was stupid. Also … I never just blamed the Democrats . I wrote Democrats and Republicans. Left and right wing. Go read it again if you need to. The real pollutions to the world is being done by multi-billion dollor companies that pay alot of money to people like Obama to look the other way, not v6 and v8 engines. LoL…

ltethan649
Aug 9, 2009 at 10:47 am

this is sick. why don’t we just go and kill all the old people its the same thing and would solve heath care problems

90xjpunk
Aug 9, 2009 at 9:28 am

give it up Accord, you cant argue with ignorance…like this guy V

byxman
Aug 9, 2009 at 8:45 am

cash for clunkers is the biggest crock of shit i have ever heard of. there is no way in hell that i would trade in my 80 toyota corolla for a new car. my car runs great gets 40mpgs. and it has pleanty of power. destroying cars that still run good needs to be a crime. obama need to go to hell. As my fav show on speed says dont crush them restore them. plus i dont have any money to put towards a new car. Im broke and im happy. i have been poor all my life and i dont mind it. there are more important things in than worrying about the environment. Fuck the environment. Global warming my ass. it is proven that the earth heats up and then cools its self down with an ice age. if any thing getting rid of old cars is hurting the environment.

ACCORD2HARMONY
Aug 9, 2009 at 5:34 am

Anf big4 galant W.E why would we take OUR stickers of?? Im Sure u and ur budys still have BUSH/CHENEY on the back of ur F-350s right strategically placed right next to the sticker of the confederate flag no-doubt?

ACCORD2HARMONY
Aug 9, 2009 at 5:30 am

JayzIntegra i dont know where to start… first u said this is stupid its just trying to make people buy cars and revenue money for the economy… YEAH!!! thats the idea!?! Also these engines dont sit in landfills they are recycled for example: if u have a new malibu or something GM look at ur engine it should say ecotec somewhere because its all been recycled. And stop blaming Dems. for everything this was acctually a republicans idea… i guess u cant really get the “whole” truth from Fox News with Glenn Bitch haha

Lilgreydakota
Aug 8, 2009 at 10:56 pm

Thats just really wrong.

insane73
Aug 8, 2009 at 10:10 pm

if ur a really car lover as I am .U would never trade in a car under this program.there is so much more that could be done with these car such as fixing whats wrong with them and selling them to people who can’t afford a new 20.000 dollar plus car. u could sell them at whole to these low income people.They can be given to single mothers who can’t afford to buy a car. This program also will put the small buy here car lots out because if they can’t get used cars then they go out of bis. putting more people out of work smart move.anyway just think about it.

JayzIntegra
Aug 8, 2009 at 8:45 pm

Okay… Accord2Harmony. For the record. The mess that the U.S. is in right now wasn’t all done by Bush though he is the popular person for blame because that’s what everyone is good at, the good old blame game. This has been a slow downward spiral over many years by many U.S. presidents. Democrat and Republican, left wing or right wing. Your boy Obama is just doing it at break neck speed. I see no point in destroying a car that still works. I personally feel like its another way to con people into buying a new car and a poor attempt to bring cash flow into the economy, just sugar coated to make it look like they are doing it for a good cause. Those engines could have been pulled out and rebuilt and then resold. Would have increased jobs and new cash flow to the economy. Now those engines will end up in some land fill, What a waste !

BIG4GALANT99
Aug 8, 2009 at 8:19 pm

all you morons that voted in this stupid possy of liberals….i hope you have to take your obama sticker off you car cuz you get harassed so much!!!! hello socialistic/communistic government!!!!!

db12690
Aug 8, 2009 at 7:59 pm

i agree with accord or what ever his name is the truth is that they are pulloting the air even if i love v8. this “big 3″ of detroy should relly make a ecofriendly car that can keep up with ls1 camaro with a fraction o the gas and pollution.. cz i wont be seen doing 40 on the high way on a stupid toyota. no offence to supra owners lol

ACCORD2HARMONY
Aug 8, 2009 at 7:41 pm

…and for anyone whos going to post and BITCH me out please first HEAR me out… i dont fully agree with this these engines made our country 350 450 small/ big blocks etc. and killing them is like killing Nam vets cuz they bore u with there stories. But this needs to be done thoose old cars sitting in your drive way that wont even start trade them in. But by all means if ur still driving it and whoopin ass keep it, But there is alot polution dumped out by thoose big v8s and if u dont believe me mash the gas and look behind u cuz there goes ur kids future…

ACCORD2HARMONY
Aug 8, 2009 at 7:31 pm

To SaintMatthew… because your such hott shit when u raced this alleged camry was it by chance the 16valve 4 cylinder?? And perhaps we are in the “predicament” that were in because ur boy George W. Bush placed us in this situation. Also u would choose to run over the President of the United States?? That Sounds a bit Terroristic to me… atleast when i alert the F.B.I. or Homeland security you wont have to go to G-bay Ya know :)

dartravens
Aug 8, 2009 at 4:48 pm

I dont understand the most eco freindly cars were made before these new fiberglass pizos i dont own a mopar but my 82 civic all metal by the way 1800lbs 1.5 liter gets 46 mpg hwy and 38 in town and still gets a respective 120mph stock i dont know what there doing but the feds get dumber by the minute

irish1988
Aug 8, 2009 at 3:44 pm

I can’t stand the U.S government, this is killing thousands of classics, muscle cars, and vehicles I would love to own, I qualify for “cfc” with my 92 Acclaim but I would never do that to my car or any other car thats why I’m making a big bumper sticker thats reads “I survived cash for clunkers!”Obama and the whole U.S government are not helping with shit. To all you who have a good running v-8 or a power house v-6 keep it!!!

bigmt3792
Aug 8, 2009 at 3:41 pm

I was about to trade my 89′ crown vic with a 302 V8 for a new focus, but after seeing what they would do to it. They will never see my car

Suamican
Aug 8, 2009 at 1:59 pm

…but why?

saintmatthew
Aug 8, 2009 at 12:48 pm

Lastly, for all you supposedly green car owners, if you dont like v8s or good old fashioned detroit power, get the hell of this site and go bitch and wimper on greenpeace of savetherainforrest websites, let the real car lovers do our thing. O, and ah, if those green cars are so eco frendly and fast and sporty, i raced one of those new eco frendly camrys and, ah, explain how something so fast and sporty got its ass whopped by a 3000 Ibs car with a bone stock 318 small block and chryler’s infamous horsepower reducing lean burn system, real fucking fast and sporty you stupid cocksuckers.

saintmatthew
Aug 8, 2009 at 12:28 pm

You know what, i am all for change, but this is pathetic. Destroying a good car that had alot of miles left on it, i mean, listen to the damn video, that was good well kept engine. They just destroyed a car that would have made someone very happy to own all because our president wants to save grass or trees or some shit. Did you see the exhaust coming out of that thing, i dont think my car spits out that much shit in a week, and its an 86 big body. i am all for helping keep the earth in good shape for my daughter and her future family, but there are a hell of a lot better ways to go about it than this. One more thing, and i sincerly hope that that pissant in the white house sees this. IF I HAD THE CHOICE BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR BULLSHIT DIPLOMATIC AGENDA, AND MY 1986 CHRYSLER FIFTH AVENUE, I’D CHOOSE MY CAR AND RUN YOUR ASS OVER Mr PRESIDENT.

expo_on_24z
Aug 8, 2009 at 12:17 pm

I’d buy that for a dollar.

db12690
Aug 8, 2009 at 10:55 am

all of you dont know what you talking about. you sound like little kids whos candy was taken cz they got cavities. the truth is that alot of this v8 do pollute the air and affect the enviroment. dont get me wrong i love a big 427 like the next guy, i got 2 cars a 02 firebird and a 98 350 vortec engine and i love them both. but i also think that the goverment should do other methods for this “clunkers” like recycling the engine to build more economicle engines. i would kill anybody who would do this to any of my cars!

chaztheoccultist
Aug 8, 2009 at 9:06 am

this is why i hate the government and why i hate dumb ass car hating idiots. its wrong. they should not be allowed to distroy the engines.

Sweettooth187
Aug 7, 2009 at 8:16 pm

I think everyone in a high position that’s supporting this program should be assassinated out of sheer protest. Who the hell actually thinks this is a good idea?!? Isn’t it the consumer’s choice whether or not he/she has a gas guzzler? You might be sick of filling up your 12mpg V8 and want to get some 60mpg plastic car that runs on Caesar salads but someone else might not give a damn and will buy it off you.

It’s a bad idea and I personally don’t see ANYTHING good coming out of it and think there are much bigger fish to fry. It’s just another sign that America’s country and culture are steadily going down the drain…

albania_fier
Aug 7, 2009 at 3:27 pm

jesus christ why??

4Wheelin_Forever
Aug 7, 2009 at 2:02 pm

FYI everyone! For those of you saying fuck obama and everyone that voted for him…McCain is the one that gave him the damn idea! Do your research and you’ll find out for yourselves.

4Wheelin_Forever
Aug 7, 2009 at 1:57 pm

WTF?! How is that green?! I know for a fact that I’m not the only one who saw all pollutants coming out of that car in the form of exhaust smoke AFTER they put the chemical in it!!! 90% of the cars and trucks being traded in for this are GREAT vehicles for the poor folk like myself who are having to do everything on a budget. How economic is it to take a clunker in on a trade from someone thats as broke as me and can’t afford their payments?!

Biggee72
Aug 7, 2009 at 12:42 pm

The program obviously works but watching these videos is like watching them kill a puppy..I just can’t look.

dolla13
Aug 7, 2009 at 10:01 am

that is sum bullshit. those auroras is sum nice cars. the only reason y that car didnt get good gas mileage is becuz tha bitches that owned it probably didnt take care of it. they probably didnt change tha oil, spark plugs, or air filter. probably drove tha car fast as hell all tha damn time 4 no reason. IF U DONT TAKE CARE OF UR CAR OF COURSE ITS GONNA GET BAD MILEAGE NO MATTER WUT YEAR IT IS. hell sum v8s get jus as good mileage or better than sum v6 engines or even 4 cylinders. tha number of cylinders dont dictate how good or bad a car gets in mileage. taking care of it does. wuts tha point of getting a car that gets say 25 miles to tha gallon when tha owner has no intention of taking care of tha new car, no matter tha number of cylinders. they couldve kept they “clunker” and sold it to sum one who will take care of it. i know that sum of these cars really r clunkers, they either have 2 many miles on it, actually do get really bad gas mileage or is beat up on tha outside and/or inside. plus i can see if u bought a used car thinking it got good mieage but has been a headache since u bought it. then i can see y u would trade it in. i seen some 1 get rid of a 94-96 chevy impala ss and tha car was in good condition. i know it was. i almost shitted on myself. this aurora seems 2 b one of those good cars thats gonna b destroyed 4 no reason. engine started and seemed to sound very good even wit that shit n it. sad. very sad.

DJAMB
Aug 7, 2009 at 9:38 am

Ok so I get the idea of making the world a better place but what happens when all the “Clnkers” are gone and some one who does’t have alot of money or good credit needs a car. I work for Ford and I have seen alot of people get turned down because of there credit. There is talk of getting all “old” cars off the road (so my 1984 GMC S-15)(or my 1998 Ford Escort) then what am I left with my 2005 Dodge Caravan (paid $9950.00)any car older than 1999 the want off the road so I lose my first Truck and my daily driver. I can’t replace them for the $300 they will give me for taking them off the road. This is stupid. I live in Canada, but the USA is THE LAND OF THE FREE well this is not so fee to keep your older vehicle.

MazdaFlame
Aug 7, 2009 at 8:22 am

dang. doesn’t matter what car they do that to. its hard to watch for me..like putting a suffering animal down.

Cavalier2200sfi
Aug 7, 2009 at 6:20 am

Ok, i’m fine with the cash for clunkers IF it’s a car that probably wouldn’t live much longer anyway, like lets say an old 90’s V8 car that when it stops it gets surrounded by blue smoke, it runs shitty, it’s rusted out, it’s got say like 400,000km on it, then ya, i can understand it. But that Aurora seemed to still run fine, it’s body was still good, that was a nice car. If people want to help the enviroment, go ahead, just don’t put our cars in the line of fire. A lot of people here say V8s pollute the most and get terrible gas mileage, a lot of modern V8s get better gas mileage than my 4 cylinder cavalier. Though i could care less about what my vehicles emissions are, if i didn’t buy it and drive it, trust me, someone else would, 4 cylinders are weak, slow, and more-or-less useless except for a basic commute. Personally i would much rather have something like a Grand Cherokee 4×4 V8, gets about 17-18mpg hwy.

HugeDong69
Aug 6, 2009 at 11:06 pm

Fuck you Obama and all your gay shit. The hard working Americans deserve to drive what ever car they choose. We’ll keep our v8’s you keep your change!

jeremiah7789
Aug 6, 2009 at 10:45 pm

where will the government stop?!!! they need to mind their own fuckin cars. this needs to stop.

ZATcarkid
Aug 6, 2009 at 9:35 pm

i also hear that the government is taking away peoples imported Skylines… kinda makes me wonder what theyre doing to those. almost makes me cry

ZATcarkid
Aug 6, 2009 at 9:34 pm

You guys wouldnt believe what Mazda did to all their “damaged” cars when they were on the boat over to the US and the boat flipped. They actually CRUSHED the cars in a 5000hp crusher. Let me tell you, its really hard to watch all those RX-8s and Miatas and Mazdaspeeds get crushed just becaause they had a little imperfections.

stephcavy01
Aug 6, 2009 at 8:49 pm

YOU STUPID MOTHER FUCKERS! THAT WAS A NICE ASS FUCKING CAR AND THEM DAMN PEOPLE LET IT GO TO WASTE! NEVER BUY A CAR FROM THIS “CAR LOT” AND SEE HOW MANY FUCKING USED CARS THEY’LL START SELLING THEN.. FUCKING PRICKS!

ScDianond
Aug 6, 2009 at 7:16 pm

FUCK THE GOVERNMENT! they are taking away larger v8’s from car enthusiasts, i would love to have on of those “klunkers” with a 454… its fuckinn murder…

chevyman327nova
Aug 6, 2009 at 7:10 pm

Holy shit! silence? did i do that?

chevyman327nova
Aug 6, 2009 at 5:33 pm

ALL YOU FUCKIN GREENHEADS GET OFF THIS SITE IT AINT FOR YOU AND QUIT DISSING V8S BECAUSE THEY ARE WAY BETTER THAN ANY ECHO FRIENDLY CAR OR A 4 BANGER SO FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!!!! AND BEERS TO YOU ALL MY BROTHERS WHO AGREE AND YES WE SHOULD PETITION THIS!

pr0d1gy9
Aug 6, 2009 at 5:30 pm

im tired of people that dont use puncuation.
you know . ? !
try it sometime, then maybe people will understand wtf 1/2 of you are saying.

thegarbear05
Aug 6, 2009 at 5:28 pm

i love to hear that the 4.0l lasted longest lol but its disturbing that they do that but its going in a green way know i wonder if ppl do that to a classic or muscle car the dealers want money well they can even sell those cars are sell the parts i dont like most new vehicles there smaller harder to work on more expensive

Devo_24
Aug 6, 2009 at 4:06 pm

what a good car to begin with and would of been a good car for someone else, then destroy it. The things I hate the most is when the “Government” gets their hands in things where they should not belong.

pttransamdriver
Aug 6, 2009 at 3:28 pm

This is a horrible plan. I can’t believe the waste here. It reminds me of back on the base I was at, that took a truck loads of brand new clothes from the px and threw them out cutting it all up so it couldn’t be re-used or donated, its regular occurrence more government waste. this is the American peoples money here, show some responsibility and respect. —-AND TO ALL YOU CAR HATERS THAT THINK A V8 cant get good mileage my 5.7L gets 38mpg hwy stick that in your green pipe and smoke it.

chase_cooper1991
Aug 6, 2009 at 3:09 pm

I don’t care what kind of bill they passed, there are tons of Americans without vehicles that would be more than thankful to have a used vehicle but do we give them to them? No that might actually make sense, lets force them to buy new vehicles that they can’t afford payments or insurance on and let the nation get into worse shape than it already is.

1969739
Aug 6, 2009 at 2:31 pm

I don’t understand why the dealers/govt. (whoever) don’t donate these perfectly good cars to people who need them or to places take car donations like Salvation Army & MelTrotter.

90xjpunk
Aug 6, 2009 at 1:12 pm

*gm altogether (chevy, buick, cadillac)

90xjpunk
Aug 6, 2009 at 1:11 pm

get some info on the bill before talking s*it about it. the car you get has to achieve 10mpg combined more than the one you trade in to get the full 4500. all in all though, mileage depends on your foot more than anything. and for all those saying that this car was soooo nice, auroras are alright but fwd V8s are useless automobiles. thats why cadillac is almost done with them and gm is getting ready to as well.

2094669
Aug 6, 2009 at 12:51 pm

my bad deed* not dead

2094669
Aug 6, 2009 at 12:49 pm

I agree with gtguy155, all 1941875 is saying might be true but what are you comparing it too just because they kill a v-8 that pollutes x amount of pounds per doesnt mean your doing a some great dead because you have no way of knowing what that guy bought instead maybe a v8 camaro or v8 mustang so its not like your completely taking that guys polution out of circulation just substituting it not to mention how much pollution it does take/is made to destroy that old car and make that new car. So your wrong unless that guy and every person gives up there cars and gets a bicycle instead there not doing the enviorment any favors, they just want a new car and thats the main reason this bill was passed in the first place just to save car companys.

Biggunna
Aug 6, 2009 at 12:35 pm

Just a thought, reduce the amount of cars by building less cars.

90xjpunk
Aug 6, 2009 at 11:44 am

what exactly is a “foreign car maker”? almost all these companies have plants in the US and are building more, employing who? most fords GMs, and chryslers, on the other hand, are made in canada and mexico, along with their parts. whos creating jobs? whos just digging for a cheap profit?

dcchevyboy
Aug 6, 2009 at 11:24 am

the fucked up part is theres people out there that need acar and they wont resell those cars and make money off of it. my friend and i just passed by the toyota dealer and saw a 91 targa top 5 speed turbo supra in the front and asked if it was for sale and the guy sayed no. now i know what they do to them what a shame. and like suckgas sayed most of these companies are forgien car makers so what is the u.s. getting out of it. you can thank good ol’ obama and the people who voted for him. good job guys good fuckin job.

MODest26
Aug 6, 2009 at 11:18 am

cash for clunkers is horse shit, older cars are way more kick ass then most of the new ones rolling off the line.

GTguy155
Aug 6, 2009 at 9:39 am

1941875 get the hell off this site

1941875
Aug 6, 2009 at 9:20 am

That was awsome.. Fantastic Idea… destroy all those polluting vehicles.

Yeah for that 2 minutes that it pollutes the air is nothing compared on a yearly basis. V8’s pollute about 28 pounds per gallon. They usually have 18-24 gallon tanks. Thats about 504-672 pounds per tank. Im sure if its a daily driver they fill about 4-6 times a month, thats 2,016 pounds per month. 12 months in a year, 24,194+ pounds per year. Cars usually pollute half of that per year. Think about all these “clunkers” that are not usually kept up in maintenance because of the owner that pollutes more CO2 than an average year.

JoeCool97Formula
Aug 6, 2009 at 7:19 am

Big whoop! They are destroying a car that has a Kelly Blue Book value of $1000 (I looked it up) BUT INSTEAD IT’S PREVIOUS OWNER GOT $3500-4500. Be happy for them. If you hate cash for clunkers so much, go to the dealers yourself and offer to match the trade in price… OH, not willing to go that far huh… so quit complaining. No one is forcing anyone to trade in their car, nobody is trading in classic or antique cars worth millions, etc. It’s helping the environment getting these oil leaking, smoking, BADLY NEGLECTED cars off the roads. I work at a Ford dealer, trust me, nothing spectacular has come in on this program.

As for those of you who THINK that engine and other parts is so great and should be saved… let’s think rationally for a change and think about what a junkyard does with it’s cars. The car sits there for years, decades even, leaking all it’s fluids into the soil. But we don’t care about safe drinking water! 75% of junk cars sit there in the salvage yard and just rust away. Take a trip to one. Look around on the net for cars in barns, etc and see the old Junk yards no longer in business, but the cars still sit there in a field or the woods, what do you think is going on with those cars? If the engine is sold, it is put into another car AS IS, most people DO NOT rebuild it to like new again, so that would defeat the purpose. This way, the whole car is recycled into products we can use again. AS for the “AWFUL SMOKE” coming from running the engine until it locks up (3-5 minutes top) I suppose the thick smoke they normally pump out daily for endless hours while driving down the road is a good thing?

So yes, I love the cash for clunkers idea. I think it is a good idea. I actually think it should be expanded to include more vehicles, especially older ones. I don’t hate older cars, in fact. I wish I had money to restore a few muscle cars, but I don’t. I am just environmentally responsible. I see nothing wrong with people getting a lot more than their old car is worth and recycling it.

CD7ACCORD
Aug 6, 2009 at 6:57 am

WTF!!! WHAT IS THIS BS IS MORE WORK FOR THEM NOW THAT THEY HAVE TO PUCH IT OUT…

EricShoHo
Aug 6, 2009 at 5:28 am

How disgusting,how waistful,how pathetic…ya have to love the U.S. government!

Hotboysb08
Aug 6, 2009 at 3:57 am

I just dont understand…I like the idea, but I hate the process of killing perfectly good cars…..I am a college student that needs a SUV to lug all of my stuff through 3 states…and they are just killing cars for no reason. that car was nice, and now us struggling college students will have to find ways to get a used car without liquid glass in the engines…smh

suckgashaulass
Aug 6, 2009 at 3:30 am

1462382 What the hell are you doing here? Obviosly your some non-car-loving prick that only sees cars as transportation from point A to point B. While the true car guys on here see their cars as something with a soul. I bet you get your oil changed at jiffy lube. I seriously doubt youve ever busted your knuckles or even gotten a lil grease on them. I hope Christine finds your ass.

suckgashaulass
Aug 6, 2009 at 3:11 am

What a waste!!! To say it was a good idea in any way is BS. You might get $4500 towards a new car but its coming out of your pocket anyway. It’s not going to help the american auto industry because most of the cars being sold thru this are Imported. Its not helping the inviroment, 1 your releasing toxic fumes with that shit, 2 now your taking up more landfill space with cars that could have been recycled or given to someone in need. So basicly were borring from china to give to japan and american taxpayers not these nitwit politicians have to pay back that debt. People think George Bush was an idiot, I think Obama toped him and then some.

KylesSoFly
Aug 6, 2009 at 2:13 am

theres no way in hell i would send one of my cars to the electric chair..id cry just knowing what it would have to face..=[

Ecuadorian_007
Aug 5, 2009 at 9:43 pm

This is a pointless program!!! Yea u get $4500 but what they dont tell you is they jack up the price in the car so in the long run you just wasted a perfectly good car for no reason!!

Mr_Falcon
Aug 5, 2009 at 9:16 pm

i gotta agree with everyone that it sucks seeing all these cars die but its a good deal for the 2 parties involved in the C4C deal. technically the gov’t gives $4500 to get gas guzzlers off the road, which for some reason makes sense to them, and the ppl trading in these “clunkers” get $4500 for a car which, majority of the time, is not even worth half of what they’re getting.

Win Win for them
Major loss for us having to watch em die a horrible death
RIP CLUNKERS

2185313
Aug 5, 2009 at 8:42 pm

i cried at 01:50 =’/

JorddWolf
Aug 5, 2009 at 7:50 pm

What the hell? I’m from Canada.. and im pretty sure we dont have this program.. What the f%^&k is wrong with these people? Do they have no souls, some of these cars are great, and i understand some are scrap.. but when you do some so evil to a car like that…. your killing it, your actually killing something that many people feel live and breathe. thasts complete bull shit, i need a car, and your laying it down to rest, no sorry not laying it down, sufficating it, i mean wtf is wrong with you people.. i say we petition this shit. If you dont want a seemly good running car, ill take it off your hands free of charge, thats a really nice Olds, fuck… i hate ignorant government bullshit. i had a thought, this chemical they use for this, that smoke its producing doesnt look “eco” friendly. haha Before you kill another car, send it to me ill look after it you ungreatful bastards.

KingKandy
Aug 5, 2009 at 7:21 pm

GOOD NEWS I just bought a 2000 Park Ave from a scrap yard for $300

this car was victim of cash for clunkers!!!

FOLLOW ME FRIENDS SAVE THEM!

fattire92
Aug 5, 2009 at 7:09 pm

WTF that car was hella clean you could see your self in it wtf this idea is not good why would u do this shit to a good car keep ur old cars don’t turn them in for them to be smashed sell them ur self. dont trade them in hell no. this is a bad idea.

LEVIROLLA
Aug 5, 2009 at 7:01 pm

I hate politics. The Government is stupid for this one. This is such a waste and in the end just hurt us all in the long run by either being in debt paying on a new car or for people like me trying to get used parts. Is it really necessary to destroy a good engine, why can’t they just send it to a u-pull-it so I can strip it and RECYCLE parts.

chevyman327nova
Aug 5, 2009 at 6:32 pm

no whats that about?

XCMotorsports
Aug 5, 2009 at 6:29 pm

has anyone ever seen the movie HILDALGO? kinda reminds me of that. complete bs.

chevyman327nova
Aug 5, 2009 at 6:25 pm

oh and king candy i thought the same thing i agree

chevyman327nova
Aug 5, 2009 at 6:24 pm

preach it all my brothers who are against this we should start or own like team or organization thats against this

davidcardomain
Aug 5, 2009 at 5:18 pm

OMG that is horrible. That car at least was in pristine condition. The only reason it smoked was because of the shit they put into the engine.

23451161
Aug 5, 2009 at 5:17 pm

This is bullshit

KingKandy
Aug 5, 2009 at 5:10 pm

I URGE ALL CAR DOMAINERS TO STEAL THESE CARS TO SAVE THEM FROM THEIR FATE!!!

KingKandy
Aug 5, 2009 at 5:10 pm

THIS IS NOT A CLUNKER THIS IS A LUXURY CAR FUCK OBAMA AND THE GOVERMENT FOR DOING THIS TO GREAT CARS. This program is ruins the chances of good reliable cars being sold to less lucky people. I will never do this to my baby.

luthoro
Aug 5, 2009 at 4:57 pm

This shit makes me sick. I knew CFC was a bad and wasteful idea when I first heard of it, but this makes it 10x worse. That engine sounded healthy as can be before they did that, and that car was clean to boot. Also I agree with the other comments about how this is supposed to save the environment, look at all the smoke this puts in the air!

blownpony22
Aug 5, 2009 at 3:27 pm

right on lan 6

eastcoast_015
Aug 5, 2009 at 2:33 pm

I work at at dealership, and it kills me to see the clunker cars being traded in.Most of the cars are under 100xxx miles and any car guy knows thats not bad miles for an older car. Half of the car are nicer and newer than what employees at the dealership drive to work everyday. I’v been trying to afford parts to build a 355 vortec for my 86 monte, and had to watch 96 chevy 1500, and a 00′ chevy 1500 with an 5.3 ls1 be destroyed. I voted for obama, and as a black man, it hurts me to say this but he fucked up on this one.

kaneolds
Aug 5, 2009 at 2:07 pm

wow what a waste. f%ck that program. Ill keep my gass guzlin 57 bowtie

Ian_6
Aug 5, 2009 at 1:59 pm

Wow, good job Obama, polute and waste, i’ll never buy one of those new plastic cars f%$( that. I’ll keep my old school car, my money, my guns, my freedom, and you can keep the CHANGE.

Mopar_Avenger
Aug 5, 2009 at 1:17 pm

that last comment was mine BTW and I stand by it.

2094081
Aug 5, 2009 at 1:14 pm

this pisses me off, I hate to see good cars and parts go to waste and for what electric cars and better mileage vehicles to save our economy. I don’t care if they make electric vehicles just don’t kill off all of the good vehicles. I can promise that they will never get one of our vehicles. And the government is complaining they have no money well they are wasting more by doing this stupid cash for clunkers deal.

serps
Aug 5, 2009 at 12:48 pm

this is stupid, if they want to give people money for their old cars fine but dont destory the parts that other people that waant to keep their old cars might need. this will even make racing harder because all the good dirt ttrack cars are on this list and engines for them are gonna be few and far between.

Nessababy
Aug 5, 2009 at 12:19 pm

This is so pathetic, why not just sell the car to a family that can’t AFFORD A NEW FUCKING CAR. This is not helping our economy.. Sooo ignorant.

Dmoore420
Aug 5, 2009 at 12:16 pm

Hell yea Chevyman!

chevyman327nova
Aug 5, 2009 at 11:24 am

ssshhhhhh!!!!! dont give them anymore bad ideas!

1_eyed_bob
Aug 5, 2009 at 11:10 am

I dont see why they are wasting money on the solution for the engines.. just drain the oil and drive around without oil. Or fill the engine with water and freeze it.

chevyman327nova
Aug 5, 2009 at 10:11 am

this all sucks and as far as all the cars being ones that deserve to die there was also ones that dont and if you meant those then you have shitty taste and yer gay and if yer all about the green then dont even bother sayin nothin cuz us real americans will give you a piece of our minds so take yer new prius’s and all the other little pieces of shit and shove them up yer ass!

2040983
Aug 5, 2009 at 9:42 am

that shit sounded nice. shit this program i think is a waste of money. most these people with clunkeer for one, cant evern afford a new car. and with this program going on, people who cant afford their payments with eventually get into debt and maybe even a repossession. so who is this helping serious? for you out there that have clunker BECAUSE u can not afford a new car. READ FINE PRINT. LOL.

scrizz
Aug 5, 2009 at 9:24 am

Forgot to say, Its proven that older cars are better, and buying old cars that can take a beating like Chevy Caprices and shit are better for us because then it means less cars in the dump. it also means less repairs than new cars. IT JUST MAKES MORE SENSE. call up the A-rabs and get the dealerships done with, no what Im saying?

scrizz
Aug 5, 2009 at 9:21 am

This is the biggest waste of automobiles I’ve ever seen. Who Is this helping? The manufacturers, they killed the electric car to stay alive, now they’re killing Used cars(very slightly, that aurora was mint) just so more people HAVE to buy their new cars. This will ruin many peoples chances at finding the older car they love, or make restoring that car a bigger, more expensive pain in the ass. I cant believe your stupid government is doing this, just because some big stupid companies realize their time is up. Fuck cars, you should crash them all head on into major government officials in your area. I’m just glad I live in Canada and dont have these shitty laws…

green89
Aug 5, 2009 at 8:34 am

BTW.. the car lot here in muskegon michigan has range rovers,high dollar BMW’s, hell theres 2 audi TT’s there also…how do they qualify??? so if i bring a car i owe $$ on into this location(im sure more are like it)and they just add it to my bill, now what???
new cars are in the mix also, YEAH american muscle cars,imports,even a delorean there…..my towns import center,chevey,ford dodge dealers all have cars that even tree huggers would cry about being on the hangmans list.

PEACE

green89
Aug 5, 2009 at 8:28 am

ok, take the title,vin #’s down, put into a system so it would be known if its re-sold, then take the vehicle to a junk yard to sell the parts that us POORER folks can afford to fix our cars,why put every american into debt with a new car payment,??? all my cars get over 30 mpg, and my newest one is a 95 sunfire gt? all it needed to run was a waterpump, now im rolling it daily, my 87 si rex is pushing 40 mpg,the 90 dodge D 50 is around 33 mpg,all took little things to fix…
so if you need an engine in say, ohhh 5 years for your car, too bad, all of them are full of liguid glass…….

not pissed, just confused on how the prez and his peeps can find 2 more billion when if you give EVERY VOTING AMERICAN 2 million you will have spent roughly 70 million and BOOM every voter is debt free , or close to it….
peace
old man ken
ceo KR2NZ c.c.
and a proud debt free american voter, with “clunkers.

Dmoore420
Aug 5, 2009 at 8:19 am

Fuck that let put some shit in the engine to make it smoke and make the pollution worse! Real smart! Also the government is broke but yet have the money to do this? It is a temporary fix to a long term problem! I do not agree with this one bit! Another thing is maintenance is twice as expensive on a new car and most DIY people won’t even attempt what they used to so it all one big trap in my opinion! When you buy a brand new car you lose money as soon as you drive it off the lot! Probably about as much as the rebate that you receive! You save money now but what about when that car you just bought is 10years old like the one you just traded and you don’t have the government credit that you have now!?

2108971
Aug 5, 2009 at 8:14 am

It turns to glass PIECES and abrades all the engine surfaces and parts so the car part has zero chance of being used.

I hope no one here likes Third Gen Trans Ams and Firebirds. They all qualify for this and I’ve seen them…waiting for this horrible fate. American Muscle Car heritage…gone.

Flavorade
Aug 5, 2009 at 7:30 am

“1462382
Aug 4, 2009 at 7:58 pm

OH MY GOD! I AM SO SICK OF ALL THIS CRYING ABOUT THIS WONDERFUL IDEA. Getting these high polluting junk cars off the roads is good. Nobody but you weirdo’s think these cars are worth more than $1000, so it’s great that the government wants to give someone $4500 for them.

As for the pollution during that engine kill, I imagine the POS would do a lot more harm if someone kept on driving it! GET A LIFE PEOPLE!”

This is our life,… we are CAR ENTHUSIASTS; know what that means?

If you do not feel sympathy over the destruction of a working vehicle just because of it’s gas mileage, then you do not belong on this website.

You all should know they are performing the same procedure on cars coming into junk yards. The cops are enforcing a “no junk cars” law, meaning: Any car on your property that your neighbors complain about is considered junk, and you have one week to fix it or it will be hauled away at the owners expense.

Once they finish with the ‘clunkers’, they will come after everything else.

holleyj1
Aug 5, 2009 at 4:54 am

Wow, LedZepplin I cant believe that you openly admitted to voting for Obama and then on top of that saying your glad you did… I don’t know anyone that openly admits to voting for our dumb @$$ president. This program is ridiculous. My uncle was looking at getting a new car through this program and he went to a couple of dealers and they told him to hold off buying a new car with the CFC’s because all of the low lifes out there that took part in the program that dont have the money to pay off their new car will end up back at the lot “used” for way less than a $4500 discount. Not to mention all the low cost used cars being scrapped when they could be donated to goodwill or similar programs… Thank you OBAMA

kbevere
Aug 5, 2009 at 4:00 am

Im not to sure what way to go one this. I can if you do have a really old car that just isnt worth having. Then yeah i say get your self a new car. But if its something that still runs good and you dont mind paying for the gas its uses then i dont see why you would want to trade it in. I have an 07 CTS that i plan on keeping untill it runs into the ground. As long as i keep it up and running it will last me at lest 10 – 20 years i hope. Never trade it in.

capriceguy77
Aug 5, 2009 at 12:07 am

what about the hours and hours of running inefficient tow trucks to go collect these things. also what about in 40 years when the Aurora is a sought after classic. with its v-8 and good looks. what about the needy pepole who cant get to work because they have no car. what about when the idiots who gave thier car away cant pay for the new one and lose the car the thier job and then house. its a shame i saw a perfectly good windstar minivan with 77k ruined and why its cause the government payed 4000 for it, what a waste of money that they dont have to be wasting and anyway isnt that our money they are wasting. what if the cars could go to auction, be resold and then have some of the money returned to the government to pay off the deficits. ruining diversity on our roadways in the peocess.
CASH FOR CLUNKERS IS FOR FLUNKERS.
people need to treat thier cars less like toasters and more like cars

ILLY-Sase
Aug 4, 2009 at 11:55 pm

If you can’t afford it…don’t buy it. Nobody is forcing these guys to sell their cars. But some people are in a position where it might be the best to do so…Some.

helloSIRjeremy
Aug 4, 2009 at 10:52 pm

also, i bet the US could sell all these engines and parts to china for a good price.

helloSIRjeremy
Aug 4, 2009 at 10:51 pm

it’s like watching genocide….
anyways, why fill the engine with glass? why not just drain, disassemble, and melt down all the worthy iron/aluminum/steel that is in all those engines?
crushing all those cars is just a waste.

NWKOAST503
Aug 4, 2009 at 10:22 pm

WHY!!!!!!!!!!! wut the f**K is wrong with theses people

1839478
Aug 4, 2009 at 10:09 pm

Olds is already dead, why kill wats left of it? Ouch. Either way, I’m in the market for a “clunker” Cadillac so I don’t like CFC

Flavorade
Aug 4, 2009 at 9:12 pm

If its just glass it can be cleaned out. Wonder what would happen if you poured it down a person’s throat?

Flavorade
Aug 4, 2009 at 9:07 pm

Hep, Hep!!

satty12
Aug 4, 2009 at 8:28 pm

That was a sad site to behold but damn that v8 put up one hell of a fight goes to show when GM builds something right.

drgnhrt1979
Aug 4, 2009 at 8:26 pm

the idea of the CFC program sickens me, if they want to give me the money for mine, not that i consider it a clunker, but at about 12-15 MPG, they do, then i will take the money, but i am keeping my “clunker” and investing back into what i have… I will never get rid of my Jeep, I love it and just broke in the engine at 208000 miles and still going strong

90xjpunk
Aug 4, 2009 at 8:21 pm

they changed it from 18 to 19mpg and thats combined city/hwy. as far as “encouraging people to buy what they cant afford,” its exactly those people that didnt take into account their budget, fixed income, and savings (or lack thereof), that got us into this economy in the first place. i do not agree with how they are disposing of SOME of these cars as there are needy people out there, mostly OUTSIDE america. but they are recycling them, and to say that recycling them will cause more pollution than keeping them on the road is just ignorant. its been said earlier in the post, CFC is a small part of US auto sales and LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE.

1495938
Aug 4, 2009 at 8:20 pm

The program that takes are beautiful well used, good running cars and flushes them down the toilet. If the cars were really shit shape i could see that but i have seen some pretty decent cars get screwed. Anyone know when this program ends?

5219GIFFORD
Aug 4, 2009 at 8:17 pm

what they should do is just riped the engine off like they do in the junk yards instead of causing more harmfull smoke and crush them like a can:)

1chris311
Aug 4, 2009 at 8:04 pm

Im a salesmen for a local Dodge dealer here in utah. I think this Cash for clunker program, although is really helping my industry right now will do more damage in the long long run. One its not forcing but highly encourageing people who are not in the market to buy new cars when they may not be able to realy afford it. Second it takes cheaper in some cases well running cars off the market again forcing people to spend more on cars then what they can really afford. Its sad to see some of these cars crushed.

Cybertronian
Aug 4, 2009 at 8:01 pm

I have to partially agree with 90xjpunk.
While some of the cars being sacked are collector- or tuner-worthy, many are not.
Since they are coming from 1984-up, many of them are from a sporty-look, demasculated-performance era. (no General Lee Chargers or Mustang Bosses here) They are also under 18mpg (no one said whether they meant city or highway mpg.), which probably will take out a number of performance sports cars (I pity the fool who brings in an IROC-Z Camaro or 1983-89 350 Formula Trans Am), but are mostly expected to weed out a few big trucks and sport utilities, some which were already villified before the economic or fuel crises that spawned this bill. (My best friend’s 1992 Probe LX — which he wants to unload for something slightly newer — has good gas mileage due to its size, and most likely wouldn’t qualify.)

A shame I don’t have a clunker to bring in so that I can add a few extra thousand into my personal car-buying fund.

Still, if someone has a 19+ mpg Automatic 1st-gen Saturn SC1 they want to keep alive and operating for a few extra years, I’d be happy to negotiate a price and logisitics…

1462382
Aug 4, 2009 at 7:58 pm

OH MY GOD! I AM SO SICK OF ALL THIS CRYING ABOUT THIS WONDERFUL IDEA. Getting these high polluting junk cars off the roads is good. Nobody but you weirdo’s think these cars are worth more than $1000, so it’s great that the government wants to give someone $4500 for them.

As for the pollution during that engine kill, I imagine the POS would do a lot more harm if someone kept on driving it! GET A LIFE PEOPLE!

mdsmj23
Aug 4, 2009 at 7:50 pm

Cant even deal with it, it’s so SO SO SAD!!!! And stupid!!!!! ERG!!!

mdsmj23
Aug 4, 2009 at 7:48 pm

well, if you not like it get new car because who government forcing you but why not PEOPLE CAN STRIKE ON GOVERNMENT THEN SHUT UP ON GOVERNMENT Then we can get old or new cars make people happy!!!!

Government so idiot!

Vectorious
Aug 4, 2009 at 7:42 pm

PLEASE READ THIS! I love how the government creates a plan to rid the world of old vehicles so we have a safer environment…and how we gunna do it, folks?!?! I KNOW! Let’s seize the engine so it spews out as much smoke as possible. GENIUS!

1961Laurentian
Aug 4, 2009 at 7:39 pm

this is stupid, they are taking perfectly running cars fit for the road, keeping aftermarket part distributors in buisness, and people that cannot afford new cars mobile, and destroying them. ok, the car is gone never to be driven againe, where is it going? rite into a land fill or scrapyard. so in there pursuit to make this a greener planet, they are going to increase the size of every scrapyard and land fill.
thank you u.s government

JDR1990
Aug 4, 2009 at 7:32 pm

this is real sad what there doing to the cars i agree with most people on the comments the goverment is forcing people to buy new cars but there no t gana make me the day that i buy a new car is gana be because i whant one not because the goverment is making me…. there just gana get a middle finger while i switching gears!!!!

90xjpunk
Aug 4, 2009 at 7:29 pm

HA! Randall you forget, this is America! All anybody does is whine about political grievances! As for CFC, who is putting a gun to anyone’s head and “forcing them to buy a new car”??? Live within your means. If you can’t afford it, don’t buy it. That doesn’t just go for cars by the way. i.e. HOUSES!!!

RandallUK300
Aug 4, 2009 at 7:02 pm

Folks we are not talking about rare Ferrari GT California here! We are not talking about 68 Shelby Mustangs w/428 here! Hell I own my share of nice road rockets but We are talking about crappy ass cars that need to die!
I am sure that hard to find old mustangs, etc will not be traded in for a new Toyota! Besides I thought this site was about cars NOT a venue to air political grievances.

1964951
Aug 4, 2009 at 6:37 pm

what a waste of vehicles. why waste a perfectly good motor. what a dumb f*(^%%g idea.

chevyman327nova
Aug 4, 2009 at 6:11 pm

i think whoever thought this shit up should dehydrate then drink that shit and overheat themselves!! Just goes to show everythings goin to hell and ill never trade any of my vehicle for a green piece of shit!

1968442
Aug 4, 2009 at 5:57 pm

Lets see the Limo Liberals have realy done it:

1) 250,000 cars that won’t be getting repaired or using new,
aftermarket or used parts (not so good for those folks)
2) New cars sold, unions are happy, Government happy on account of all the new taxes both sales and property.
3 People who took the cash are happy until they default on the loan that they could not afford the cars are repossesed, and added to used car inventories.No more cheap cars for new buyers!!!!
These Democrat AH’s want to run healthcare next!! Obama will share the wealth Comrade!!!

turbo403
Aug 4, 2009 at 5:56 pm

i agree with ph96ers, so the hunt begins!!!!!!

GoudyStyle
Aug 4, 2009 at 5:49 pm

;( Why, why !!! if.

K-Dawg406rs
Aug 4, 2009 at 5:47 pm

Alright, so what would be so awful about being able to sell parts off these old cars or resale them. Maybe if they did that the CFC plan wouldn’t have ran out of cash in less than a week.

jellyjamacain
Aug 4, 2009 at 5:18 pm

Pretty darn sad that this is what they do to perfectly good vehicles.
Very very bad idea.

Brendan78
Aug 4, 2009 at 5:14 pm

whoever thought of this idea really had their head up their ass. the government is forcing people to buy new cars, but not everyone can afford them. so then they miss the payments and the car gets taken away. this ruins their credit as well as leaving them with no means of transportation. all they are doing is ruining the economy even more. if they sold the older cars to people who cant afford a new car, they could stimulate the economy and people might be able to do more since they don’t have a huge car payment over their head. this is so stupid and ridiculous. the government sucks even more for passing this bill.

2109193
Aug 4, 2009 at 5:01 pm

How stupid! Ruin a perfectly good motor all because of this gas guzzling idea. That car looked liked to me it was in good shape. Many don’t have that good of a car. The government needs to have their head examined. If this is the case then cash for clunkers then we better get the same for up there on the hill a program called cash for old politicians then cause they are not doing their job right.

RavenAegis45
Aug 4, 2009 at 4:41 pm

well that sucks!!!!! A Perfectly good Oldsmobile Aurora Destroyed because some one wanted something newer? it didnt look in bad condition either, oh well its true this bill only passed because it’s trying to get more people to buy new cars. Whats the point if the Economy goes the same way and some of these people lose there income are just going to lose there cars, if they still owe 10,000 on a new car. 4500 might seem like alot but it really isn’t. Why sacrifice a Sure thing for something your going into dept for?

ph96ers
Aug 4, 2009 at 3:49 pm

WHO EVER THOUGHT UP THIS CASH FOR CLUNKERS SHOULD BE DRUG OUT TO THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET AND PUBLICLY EXECUTED LIKE THE FUCKING MORON THAT HE OR SHE IS. WOW WHAT RETARDS

1746639
Aug 4, 2009 at 12:48 pm

A Ford Excursion with a V10 probably wouldn’t be CFC’d unless the owner is an idiot (granted, there is a possibility). CFC, although popular is a drop-in-the-bucket regarding overall car sales, and CFC is a drop-in-the-bucket regarding the existence of presently owned used cars, and CFC is a drop-in-the-bucket regarding the available used cars on the market today.
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Seek and you shall find. CFC is not pushing anything out of existence, even if you’re looking to buy your Mother-in-Law a used Ford Explorer with original Firestones…

NobiZero
Aug 4, 2009 at 9:41 am

1746639, I am looking at it with an open mind, but the vast majority of these people trading vehicles in for this program are most likely people that haven’t kept up on maintenance, and their vehicles have fallen into disrepair, or require so much maintenance to get them back to proper running order that it’s just not worth it to these people, so they’re as much at fault as the vehicles themselves. I also understand that if you have a Ford Excursion with a V10, there’s really not that much you can do to raise it’s fuel economy, but then again, someone out there needs a vehicle like that, so why destroy it? It’s a ready made vehicle, they’ve already gone through the process of manufacturing it, which polluted enough, so why “recycle” it and pollute more? Just to boost new car sales? I don’t see the logic.

1746639
Aug 4, 2009 at 8:05 am

Nobi… just how much more efficient can you make an old V8? Most mods/work either restore an engine to its original efficiency or make it consume more gas. Stroker? Supercharger? Turbos make engines run more effiently but many engines are not affordable or good contenders for turbos. I guess there’s NOX water injection but that’s pretty damn expensive and there’s no room for error. The best that can be done most of the time is upgrade the intake/filter, maybe some exhaust work and improve the ignition system… and still the thing might get 18 MPG with the wind at its back.
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There’s such a failure of people seeing the bigger picture it’s almost funny. I love old cars just as much as everyone else, but its time for some folks to man up and look at all sides of the story with an open mind.

NobiZero
Aug 4, 2009 at 7:34 am

So, we take a ready made car, pour hazardous chemicals into it, run it until destruction sending tons of pollutants into the air in the process, take what’s left of the vehicle, and “recycle” it, the process of which pollutes even more, to use the materials created in the recycling process to make a new car, which the car manufacturing process in and of itself pollutes quite a bit.

So in the end, we’ve successfully polluted a whole lot more, and wasted a whole bunch of cash when the vehicle could have been repaired and made more efficient for a lot cheaper.

I still don’t get it.

GTwildfire
Aug 4, 2009 at 5:00 am

I question the legitimacy of ecologists who support inefficient vehicles being on the road vs. much newer ones with better emissions and MPG. Something is rotten in the State of Denmark, or maybe Delaware who knows.

The Chinese are driving up oil prices these days. By reducing consumption wherever in the world it can only help and I sense hypocracy to some extent. You can’t be an ecological activist AND love driving something with a big displacement engine everywhere… so don’t even try that.

My reservation about CFC is the cost. $1 billion is a lot of money, an additional $2 billion is cutting into things that should be accomplished elsewhere, like subsidizing Electric Vehicle purchases to make them more affordable as they hit the showrooms. Also, my friends in the business, local new car dealerships, think $4500 is overkill, and that the program would have made better use of the stimulus money if it were $2500 instead. I guess they’re right about that.

LedZeppelin
Aug 3, 2009 at 10:57 pm

So these cars continue to pollute even in death. Nice move. I voted for Obama, and I’m glad I did. Unfortunatly, it was one of his minions who came up with this brilliant (ha) plan. I’m not sure, but I think the entire engine block could have been recycled too. If they didn’t want to resell them, then melting them down to the lowest common denomiator would have been a better way to go….

Once again, another brilliant plan thoroughly thought out, and perfectly executed by us brainy Americans…

Monk73
Aug 3, 2009 at 8:43 pm

I agree that the smoke is retarded, but its not that the parts wont be used. The cars will be recycled into metal that is going to be used in new cars or other industries.

gold94corolla
Aug 3, 2009 at 4:22 pm

Wow, how sad…… and the point is to save the environment, but put all that smoke in the air???? Lovely. That was a nice nice car, too. We could at least give the vehicles to poorer countries… maybe even ones we owe money to…… well, I didn’t vote for Obama and I’m glad!!!

1lowscort
Aug 3, 2009 at 3:33 pm

I agree the program is great…but they should be able to come up with a better way to disperse the traded in cars in a much better way. Selling them at wholesale cost and paying back some of this incredible debt that the US has? No…much too logical. Donating them to needy families? No to kind and generous. Right I have it, lets completely destroy them so that no part can be used!!

FordRulesAll
Aug 3, 2009 at 3:17 pm

The good is that sales are up for all companies, Ford has recorded a 2.3% profit. The bad is that they are just destroying these vehicles. Personally I think it is good for the incentive, but the way they get rid of the vehicles is absolutely stupid. I am wondering if the people in our Gov’t have have any brains what-so-ever, and that is sad.

1lowscort
Aug 3, 2009 at 3:07 pm

Absolutely disgusting. It sounded like a healthy engine to start with. Cash for clunkers will never ever see one of my cars. What a wasteful society we have become :’(

PureBusiness
Aug 3, 2009 at 2:49 pm

Disturbing.

NWSilverado
Aug 3, 2009 at 1:52 pm

OMFG. What a shame… Wonder how much damage is done by the smoke that it’s putting into the atmosphere. What a shame That was a sweet look’in car…..

Now how are they gonna move it??

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