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December 30, 2009

Mercedes Dealer’s Tactics Added To My List of Horrible Car Shopping Experiences (And I Still Need To Buy A Car!)

By Sam Barer

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I’m here to tell you that automotive journalists do not like to car shop. Sure, we love most things on four wheels, but I, like most of my industry-mates would rather get a prostate check by a broken-knuckled rugby player-turned-urologist than to interact with on-the-prowl car salespeople.

For me, specifically, it’s because I know way too much. I spend more time researching cars than the frequently-wrong-but-never-in-doubt people who sell them. As for the business and sales tactics side, much of my life I’ve been surrounded by dealership owners, salesmen, service managers, and attorneys who represent them. Let’s just say that I know all the tricks, which would be enough to turn most people to public transportation.

My personal log of horrible car shopping experiences is longer than Danny Bonaduce’s 12-Step “people to make amends to” list.They range from the frustrating: arranging for a test drive of a Honda S2000 over the phone with a sales manager at a Honda dealership in Houston, only to be told upon arriving twenty minutes later at that I could “drive it after I bought it”…to the surreal: having a clown-shoe car salesman at Bruce Titus Chrysler in Olympia, WA challenge me and my 2002 Corvette “to a race for pink slips” first against his (meaning the dealer’s) Crossfire SRT6 and then against his “Shelby” (meaning 2.2-liter Turbo I-powered Dodge Shelby Charger) when all I was there to do was take a test drive of a 300 to see if I liked it better than the Toyota Avalon…which I didn’t.

I can’t even remember how many times I’ve been asked “what will it take to get you into this car today?” And if I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard a car salesman make a claim about a specific vehicle that was such a blatant falsehood that any kid with a car magazine subscription or Internet access could call the bluff, I feel like I could pay cash for a Maybach.

Still, my wife’s twelve-year-old Oldsmobile is in dire need of replacement. She’s going to take the 2006 Toyota Avalon, which leaves me needing another four-door sedan. Like it or not, that means car shopping and the chance of adding to the list of dealer horror stories.

Continue reading after the jump!

This past weekend we set out to test drive the three finalists, the BMW 750Li, Audi A8L and Mercedes S550, and find our top choice. Our budget and sense of priorities prohibiting the nearly $100K new price, we targeted certified-pre-owned 2007 or 2008 as the sweet spot. So out I went with the wife and two daughters (take your family, and the dealers know you’re not just out for a joy ride) to the dealers in and around Tacoma, WA.

Our first stop was to BMW Northwest in Fife, where a test of a 2006 750Li quickly ruled out any pre-2009 7-Series. When I explained to the salesman that I felt the Bimmer was underwhelming with a very un-BMW-like lack of steering feel and a distracting amount of seemingly useless technology, he politely thanked us for trying the car.

Next it was on to the dealership next door — Mercedes Benz of Tacoma at Fife, where Pre-Owned Sales Manager Eric Brillhart introduced us to a 2007 S550. With black paint and a Savannah-Cashmere interior it looked elegant. During the same test loop as with the BMW, the S550 shined with prodigious power, seamless shifts from the seven-speed tranny, great road feel, and the most amazing massaging seats ever invented. Admitting to Eric that my wife was instantly hooked, I still explained that I needed to complete my due-diligence and drive the A8L. I even said “I know statistics say that if we leave, we’re not coming back…but remember, the same stats also indicate if we come back, you’ve got us.”

Courteously, he called over to Audi of Tacoma, another Robert Larson-owned dealership, to let them know we would be over for a test drive after getting a bite to eat.

Going into the day, the A8L had been at the top of my short list. After a ride in a three-year-old S550, though, the brand new 2009 Audi A8L seemed dated. The sporty feeling came at the cost of an overly tight suspension. Despite other journalists who praise Audi ergonomics, I found the interior dark, plain and lacking the comfort of the Mercedes. On the whole the Audi just wasn’t as refined. And the dealership? Had we not gone to pull a salesman away from a conversation outside the building, we would have stood there alone forever!

So we returned to Mercedes Benz of Tacoma at Fife, where we sat in the lobby for about fifteen minutes as Eric Brillhart helped another couple. (Thank goodness for Nintendo DS, or my daughters would have lost it by now.) Finally with the couple out on a test drive he invited us over to his desk. He launched us into about ten minutes of small talk discussing garage space, drums (which we both play), and then finally he asked me how much I wanted to pay for the car, since, he said, I “obviously have a number in my head.”

He had told us before the test drive that the asking price was $62,500, which Eric admitted was way too aggressive for a 32,000-mile 2007 that had sat on the lot for too long. (He was I unaware that I had seen the car offered on Autotrader.com and M-B’s CPO site for $59,900.) I didn’t throw out a number, rather choosing to note that other dealers were advertising their S550s from 48-to-58-thousand and indicating that it would be safe to assume “low fifties” was top market.

Eric got up and walked into the sales floor manager’s office and didn’t return for ten minutes. I pointed out to my wife that I had forgotten to request that he not to try the old wait ‘em out trick — the longer a mark sits in the chair the more they’ll pay at the end of the deal. In my case, it just makes me more tired and less likely to spend anything.

When he got back he said “I’ve got bad news and good news. The bad news is the car sold while you were out, but the good news is that we have this other car — same configuration, slightly higher miles and we can offer it at $53,00″.

Ah crap, here we go again!

Eric left to check the in-service date of the car’s warranty, and upon returning to the desk, my wife hit him with: “I might be young, but I’m not stupid. Do you really expect us to believe that a car you said earlier has been sitting here for a really long time actually sold in the two hours we were gone?”

Now if someone had called me a liar to my face (and I was innocent) I’d vigorously defend my honor and my practices. I’d even get some proof in the form of paperwork. The salesmen didn’t even seem to put up a fight, instead giving a half-assed emotionless line trying to claim he had nothing to gain by claiming it was sold, and that he was mad that he had gone through the effort of washing it only to have another salesman sell it. My six-year-old daughter gave a more believable performance last month when she claimed she didn’t eat any cookies before dinner, and she had crumbs all over her face.

Still there was the other “available” car that was being offered. With iPhone in hand I went down the list of CPO 2007 S550s available for under $50K on Mercedes-Benz’s own site, and simply explained the price this dealer was offering was three-grand over the advertised starting prices of identical cars, such as one offered at Barrier Mercedes less than 50 miles away. We got up and walked out.

We walked to our car, and parked next to it was the very same “sold” S550 that had lured us to the dealership in the first place. My wife walked back in and notified Eric that the car was still on the lot (and had been moved next to our car while we were in being told it was sold). “They’re doing the paperwork as we speak” he claimed. Seeing nobody else in the dealership, my wife laughed, shook her head and walked out.

Mercedes Benz of Tacoma simply wanted to maximize profit — and that’s not a crime. What they did, however, was bad for business, horrible for its reputation… and statistically a bad play. When the salesman and sales floor manager got the feeling that price was an issue with us, they saw the opportunity to bait and switch in a less desirable car with a higher margin that could look like a better deal by fitting within my aforementioned price range. Unfortunately for them, they had totally misread us. We didn’t try to negotiate down due to being cash-strapped — we could have afforded the full inflated asking price, rather it simply wasn’t a good deal based on competitive listings. Had he or the salesman simply given a slightly better bottom line price, I might have paid more than market on the original car just for convenience sake, but instead the BS led us to leave.

We will certainly be buying a 2007 or 2008 S550…just not from Mercedes Benz of Tacoma. Sure, I could buy one from an auction (I have four friends who are brokers), but I still lean towards a CPO car with a known service history given all the technology. I might also want to take advantage of MBUSA’s subsidized financing.

So here’s hoping that there’s a Mercedes dealer out there who understands that some of us are sick of the same old tired dealer tricks, time wasting tactics and scams. Can’t we just agree on a price based on the real market, after which I’ll give them the money and they can give me the car?

Comments

3304hl
Jan 3, 2010 at 8:57 am

If you really want an S550, why not try the Bay area or Vegas?
Given the massive downturn in both areas I imagine you’ll find better selection, better prices, and hungry dealers.
The run home would also make for a nice “get aquainted” experience.
just a thought.

Sam Barer
Jan 1, 2010 at 11:27 am

After I wrote the original article detailing my attempt at buying an S550, I received a call and two emails from Rob Larson, owner of Mercedes-Benz of Tacoma (as well as ten other dealerships). Rob spent over twenty minutes on the phone with me discussing the original experience.

Rob provided definitive proof that the S550 in question had indeed sold during the time period, but his first priority was to apologize for my experience. He never once asked for a retraction, choosing instead to explain how the sales process had failed at multiple points. It was immediately apparent that Rob had researched the case completely and had gotten immediately involved not for the sake of message damage control, but to understand the situation in an effort to improve employee education and information communication processes at his dealerships.

Like many multi-dealership organizations, Rob Larson’s company employs hoards of people. Nobody can expect that each communication between any employee and every customer is going to be perfect. It says quite a bit about Rob Larson’s priorities and leadership, however, that on two of the busiest sales days of the year, he takes time to glean information in an effort to make every interaction with his businesses completely satisfactory.

As a further indicator of my confidence in Rob’s leadership, I emailed him a list of the specifications and options of the S550 for which my wife and I are looking. Provided he can find the right car and offer it at a competitive price, I’d be happy to buy from him and his organization.

GTwildfire
Dec 31, 2009 at 4:46 pm

I have enjoyed being an auto salesman’s worst nightmare. They’ve tried to keep me on the lot as long as possible before, and I’ve kept them tied up hemming and hawing, only to leave without biting. My motive being to become more acquainted with the makes/models I was considering, but never having an intention of paying their bloated dealer retail prices.
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MWHAHAHAaaaaa…
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Wanna ruin a salesperson’s day? Spend 3 hours car hopping and leave them high ‘n dry after it all.

Michael Berenis
Dec 30, 2009 at 4:37 pm

When you buy a Benz, you expect civility and quality service. That’s not my story with them. I’ve got to add my horrible experience with Mercedes-Benz to this as well. I brought my car in for Service A at Mercedes-Benz of Tampa, and picked up a huge spike in my tire in their lot entrance. As I was pulling in, there was some left over wreckage from a crashed vehicle scattered through out the entrance of the service bay. They told me it wasn’t their fault, and tried to send my family and I home with a hole in the tire. They said, “Just drive on it, it will be fine”, as the tire was leaking so much air it had deflated completely within ten minutes. Not to mention this was a 30 series rear tire on 19′s, stagger setup. They wanted me to drive 70 mph down there interstate with a flat tire with my wife and 2 year old daughter in the vehicle. It was around closing time, and I was in downtown Tampa literally stranded at the dealership.

I was outraged, and the only way I could get them to do anything was by causing a scene. They fixed the tire with a plug, and let me have a rental benz for the night to drive home. But only after I threw a tantrum in the waiting room. I tried asking nicely but they gave me the cold shoulder. Sometimes you just have to yell lol. It embarrassed myself and my family, and we will NEVER buy a Mercedes again based on their crappy service and lack of customer care, and the fact they suggested I drive this vehicle with a flat tire with my little girl in the car. When I pay $400 for an oil change, dammit I expect quality service. My .02, avoid them at all costs. Don’t be deceived by the luxury staple of Mercedes-Benz; they aren’t what they used to be. Never again. Totally disgusted at the lack of humanity I experienced. I contacted MBUSA and they did nothing, and told me that the dealership acted accordingly. FAIL!

Larson_Auto
Dec 30, 2009 at 4:06 pm

Thank you Sam,

For considering two of our best products for purchase, I regret that you felt you were mislead about the vehicle you test drove at our Mercedes-Benz store. As you know the 2007 S550 is a beautiful vehicle. After you left the showroom, another couple took that same vehicle out for a test drive and fell in love with it and were in the process of purchasing that vehicle when you returned 2 hours later. I am pleased to report that the vehicle was sold as reported to you on the day of your test drive.

With regards to the service you received at the Audi store, I apologize that you felt you were not helped in the manner you expected. As a family owned Auto Group for the last 49 years, rest assured that customer service is our highest priority.

Chuck Clymer
Internet Director
Larson Automotive Group

rc1320
Dec 30, 2009 at 9:12 am

I guess this adds to another reason why I wouldn’t want to live in Tacoma.

NWSilverado
Dec 30, 2009 at 8:10 am

Man there is nothing worse than that. I remember playing the game when we bought our brand new KIA 4 years ago. They tried to upsell us on the clear coat, under coating, Fabric Protection, blah blah blah. And then they told us that they might have given us more for our Trade than when we sold it. Then Why didn’t they offer that at the start?

I hate dealers and almost hate to have to deal with them but, sometimes you can’t find the vehicle your looking for used….

Glad you didn’t buy from them but, that to me is just uber sad tactics and now this has gone online, I hope that others don’t shop there as well!!!!!

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Dec 30, 2009 at 7:08 am

I DIDN’T READ THE WHOLE THING BUT THE BEST THING TO DO WHEN GOING TO LOOK FOR A CAR IS BUY IT FAST AND SAVE YOURSELF THE HEADACHE. GIVE THEM WHAT EVER THEY ARE ASKING AND GET THE HELL OUT OF DODGE IN A DODGE. EVEN THOUGH YOUR ANUS WILL BE SORE FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS AT LEAST IT’S BEEN POWNED AND NOW IT’S GOING TO BE OK.

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